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בפרק זה עו"ד תמיר דורטל מתארח בפודקאסט של אורי מלמד לשיחה על פוליטיקה, מערכת המשפט, דמוגרפיה ואתגרי הצבא מזווית ימנית שמרנית, חדה ולא מתנצלת.
הראיון לוקח אותנו למסע בין הנושאים הבוערים והנפיצים ביותר בשיח הציבורי הישראלי של ימינו, תוך השמעת ביקורת נוקבת במיוחד על המערכות הממסדיות. תמיר ואורי פותחים בדיון על הסוגיה הדמוגרפית ומעלים רעיונות לגבי הגירה פלסטינית. במהלך השיחה נחשף "סקופ" מעניין ומעורר מחשבה לגבי השאלה מי באמת מונע מפלסטינים, שכבר מחזיקים באשרות כניסה למדינות זרות, לצאת לחו"ל דרך מעברי הגבול. משם, השיחה גולשת לביקורת חריפה ונוקבת על בכירי מערכת המשפט. השניים מתמקדים במשנה ליועמ"ש לשעבר, רז נזרי, בוחנים את שתיקתו מול עינויים של נחקרים יהודים כמו עמירם בן אוליאל, ומנתחים את הדינמיקה הבעייתית שבין הייעוץ המשפטי לממשלה הנבחרת.
האם הפגנות הימין באמת אפקטיביות, או שהציבור הימני מסתפק בהצבעה בקלפי ומפקיר את הרחוב ואת זירת ההשפעה? כיצד ניתן לשנות את המפה הפוליטית ולשבור את המונופול של המפלגות החרדיות (כמו ש"ס) על ידי הורדת אחוז החסימה? ומדוע צה"ל נמנע באופן תמוה מחלוקת צל"שים ואותות גבורה ללוחמים הגיבורים של מלחמת חרבות ברזל, בניגוד למה שהיה נהוג בכל מלחמות ישראל בעבר?
במהלך הפרק תשמעו ניתוח מעמיק, משולב בהומור עוקצני וחוויות אישיות, על התרבות הארגונית הריכוזית של צה"ל, על ההתנגדות לשינויים בשיטת הבחירות, ועל התנהלות תקשורתית. תמיר אינו חוסך במילים כשהוא מתאר את התסכול מתפקוד המערכות, ומציע פתרונות פעולה מחוץ לקופסה שיגרמו לכם לחשוב מחדש על המציאות. 
המאזינים ילמדו בפרק זה כיצד נראית המציאות הפוליטית מאחורי הקלעים, יקבלו כלים לחשיבה ביקורתית על הממסד השלטוני, וישמעו קריאת השכמה ברורה לפעילות אזרחית מתמדת. הצטרפו אלינו לשיחה סוערת שלא מפחדת לשחוט פרות קדושות. האם אתם מוכנים לשמוע את האמת הלא מצונזרת?

00:00:00 פתיחת הפרק, מתנות באולפן וביקורת על האירוויזיון
00:06:55 מאחורי הקלעים של קמפיינים פוליטיים וסיפורים מהשטח
00:15:30 הביוגרפיה של תמיר דורטל מתל אביב ועד יו"ש
00:18:34 משאית הצעצוע כמשל לפתרונות דמוגרפיים ותנועת אוכלוסייה
00:21:42 הסקופ: מי באמת מונע מפלסטינים להגר לחו"ל?
00:35:18 מתקפה חריפה על המשנה ליועמ"ש לשעבר רז נזרי
00:42:51 שתיקת הבכירים לנוכח העינויים של עמירם בן אוליאל
00:51:30 מדוע הימין מסתפק בקלפי ונכשל בנוכחות בהפגנות רחוב?
00:57:00 ביקורת על תפיסת הממלכתיות והסכנה בקידוש מוסדות המדינה
01:00:13 מחדל הצל"שים בצה"ל: מדוע לא מעניקים עיטורי גבורה?
01:09:51 הומור וביקורת: קורס עמידה מול קהל בתיאטרון הקאמרי
01:13:07 כיצד ניתן לשבור את המונופול של המפלגות החרדיות?
01:17:15 חשיבות ההתנדבות לוועדות קלפי ומאבק בזיופים בבחירות
01:21:00 סיום הראיון, תיאוריות בגידה וקריאה לפעולה אזרחית

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Karen sod, agrippas, l'agrippa, dimatashimamila, shham. Shamaite. Biomirushalaim, the I am odd. Aval. Aval engika? Yes, kika, kika, enjum kika, aval. Ah, but yet no, is kaz it, mizraka parizite.

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As in ka kika paris. Shamayum dote nashimbishho? Kotan shani. Okay.

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Pitome, rata, has kanaf show bikola.

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Okay. Okay.

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No, a Laura it bendam khad lokipa. Shibami chodz at the tiny shigamata klimka ring behutz, boto, often with sever mea midrashia, zotuma ulpena azotum azot. Toma regga, even kudnik. Bonashovala tmere klikunik le reggae had. I mayti, balafganaz gemshanaba, bala, chigatiom rusha limezot gemshanaba, asuchuva, lo, loitiba. Weho the band and reform a pambe, Bovolatosh, liberal combi, shovom fika mispanhatpa Bamahane. The Mishul Afghanot Shivim Hudson. The Sloshima Hos Likudniki, Velikunikim, Bab Biachasim, the ahadle kolak by Israelim. The Likudnik. Eh holyot, shibura dirve, law, you tell Afghan. Okay. The mamma namely, and the real bacalpi. And by you, Bacalpi. Havre, Bacalpis Rek Matril, Bacalpi Zeka Regal Ms. Vhodish, Benel Dorat, Kevalori Milamed, the Benel D Savganot. As as lawyer po democratia. So, I'm not sure. Should ecosystem, the shotri, Iman Raznizri, Kaziphadna podcast of the Shalom Milamed, Shegid Show, Shou, Shlo the Bola. Limited. Hola of Dim Shamberon, Egidulit, Shamatamoramed, Raich Zika. And you know what the Shifu Avi Lobamar and Dimelam is remote. And now Jas Nisri, Bestov, Podcast Kaz, or Melamaz Gira, Tefanil, Tazhova Karov, Merch of Cole, Yoma Mar de A Le Israel, Macorison, and Hablait Trianeth Gikonomi, Havelak Trianethri, let her mocheli, colour minchimi power, the bitness.

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Kilama, Boshvikalem Lama, who Lolab U Lo Corum Lamas Osner.

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No.

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Who are Achyanjil Yosef Klosner historionist revisionist?

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No.

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Lama.

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Top Zebashud. Would yes like Loita Lochlam? Talik Brodik. E Lo rega.

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But what's more lawyer?

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Looks like lads. Lo ya betuh avayash is Zedavanahon. Po matavar button.

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Gourmish Midgornish.

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No. Shem Shigenu, Shem I am sake. Lo Raker Shovershovala Lo, Mashi Fray is a Vulgarut. Pam Pam Suchumi Ravmi Shotakav, D, the Nachon Shara Medat Israel is Shimbaulam. This much is true. A kol kizetov. So to the Mashala Martino, I need Esik. Asakim, Mita Limbi. Atachoshives the Tov rakiem dinao sides?

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Barani mafima shall you rega. Lam Shamidina fil falafelim that yeah, the falafel, Hamidina, Hamamlachti Harishmi. No?

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Havla rota frame shallow. Avatamfin? Lam looked at tenimila hat vulgarium. Lama the Vulgari Benai, Lama the the Gasan.

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Elliha Ellihat Fisaumovana Mukash and Piskoch and Aravkuk. The stam the stam. Aravku Katav, Nagid Stream for Mudimhaev. Aza A Gishash Aravasoman, Varavitayasman, Yigishhar Botterbi Bavomerel Bonstekel Poalash Aravkuk. Boni Maravkuk asabahim shelok rashi, the fizen, lebawit kaven, kwa markisashimbolam.

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Avalanomermash no saf mashlimir Besedir Aval Musik Mumedina, okay? Ulo mdir at Bonil Madrigam Medina, Bonita Berigal Madam etatism, Bonita Berga Libertarian, Bonabalim Regga. Oto erch ni flash and okay, Miamakhu Khayavitwe both in a ze, legga. Sha me tellemeno, but that's okay.

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Um, the lochilkat salah shikad, loch it too, itur, oh my god. No, it's a good thing. Halama Varze Kuk Magiza. She Tarish Pot Mishmo to Beotor Shakira, Patsaria, Ya Masia, Colourve. Aval Evani Lagin Latova. Lagin Milatova Lanasim Shitano, Lagimtiu, Lagim Shloitano, Ma Rako Toi Hadis, Sihash Shaktimo, a shedlike mesoa, beomat's mouth, Rakukibel Kavod. I can lochamim. Raka had kibelkovod. Kenishnaimula Sarah Ken. Do anime to Hamak Belsheva Beta Viv Bizal Me Olam, Laura Iti, Hayal Im Salash. Oh, it's Kalam. As I mean, I'm not sure. And then separate sim, Kama Talashim one co rawanku.

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Kama itu comma it gvurawanko the gvura the top, no?

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Srimchloshin? Yfe, Arbaim. Shaf the Mura Pyramida. Itwa gvura kaalani. Okay. Itura, the kvar, roy c line. Okay. The fall Rimon, Adama Semetoraf, toa, Kama Murida. Abaimatime. Yf. Matime. It's a brick. Sheshmot. Shall Ben Pi Chalosh, Upamesh, Levan, Shav, Talash Ramatkal, the Mulot, Odio Terg. Sheshmotha. Okay. Albaim Hames. No, Mammi Spell. Matime Khamishim Varb. Levanti. Levanti. Sheshmot the two amount of the brick. Lloyd in the Hesh. Lord in the Hesh. They're the time.

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Look at the two sleeving. Look at fall. Look at the L.

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Amurot the Alpine. Dodgery. Huh? Meshmone. Salash me faked, the odd pahot golan, the gil meed the Kamanashim. The push. Kama? Mesh Monim. Ah, Kacha?

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Hine. Mmrilematlimasheli. Gaim Tare Gaim Tare Graphika Shastino. Gaim Tarea Niloamilika. Hine. Graphic. Ya voy a naveglian Iloamino. Hine? Zet Lo. Mitsadihad and Yachov kilu todaya. Zekmo exclusive. Ooh, dodglich had the machine matter shovel. Shavolikle. Let the Lilta Cochilan ba mutage? Lodi? A loyal man, the lawyer memory.

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Maria Tabuta Gonichel, she moved. Ramat Kal, Le Chol Halek, Ve Vada, Shaprasima Mioh, the Holal Halek, it wamo fet ka kmo Bebhot for Kumos Zeville. Ken faked Hativa. Pischer Kazaya Nikla Nupoiturim? Mesh Monimik. Zev Column Apamiko Meshmonim.

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The Meshmonim Behasley Kam Fak Dehtivot you come with Hamote Bhole, the Kmo Lolanik. The Lolani Zaniya. I shave terms.

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Likola Biperimperim, the collish balbiran, the Niku Prasim Prasim Shahamke Nico. She Vashelfni Phodmi Shana. Lalo, Bta lagado la Shalayukim, Shalloshani of Ruki Mat, Afinolo.

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And it's Tariff. Afinolo Kimovada. You devikram it's la cramala khalotin. As as medalliot.

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Amauchalosh.

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Amor?

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Amar, Goni Hernik. Goni hernic and Niselik vota before the Nerak Benta.

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Shakason Topolamiz to Fashion and Lo Lochal Zebe and she talked voit. Zebe and Damba Batopshali, the Enkele Avalani Raiti, um Hatler, Mm Omerlo, the Los Ababonstomer, or Kaka Bicorote, is a walking Los Gruber, Sarkansha Kids, okay, the the Kifin Hon. The Meshomer, Honor Zamulagan and Vincian Lonen in this mois, today.

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Oh, oh. Kilo attacked me and Mino. Govitzli.

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Lodia? Bigasha nimasha. Ine Matadha ish Sadna Tatrona Camery. Ah, Pinata Tabut. Tell him to Pinat Tabut. Sadnat stand up the Tatrona Karon. Okay. A camerari. Bakamery? Sadnat stand up and head Carmel Netzel. So couldn't a Kirimit a data stand-up a goat. She's a stand up Israeli. She lo marrami, Carmel Netzer, and Kevin Vatican the Hong Kavanaugh? Goat, greatest of all times. Lolo animate if we call them Jordan Levin Erkauloshani? Zo. Mavak. Oben Messi Le Ronaldo. Mavak. Ken, Ton Shitba.

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Ronaldo.

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Ken, Shnehem. Call the Ronaldo Mafut be ego Bramashe Machl Mahlian.

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Ronaldo Koshev.

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Again.

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Kik Ronaldo, yeah. Ronaldo Vu. Ken, at Roshim Messy. Because Shelly. Because we're a call.

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Sakanaka.

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Sarkan. Okay. Very respectable. And you should have a podcast shouldn't. Asadnat is the yem, Bishurupa Twak by Gishomki test of Korean. Mizami you add. A course of the cousin betem the cool samidam murkahal. Shne samivgashim. Shnevkashimbadafim Shekel? El instoff. Why, I think it kashirval. Ken Lakusa, Akusa Amida. Mamash Kusamida Zhutamida, the Mutot Small Duty Klaser. Lama Anashim Khushvim, Shepchara Kata Mila stand up, Velit Alelba, Adam Sof. A dam should say stand up. Stand up is Mamash, Amiti, the Hor, the Nadiruter Masher Masher Kanarumi. It's already gil Shacham Mashliffne Shbuheim Bafila Moni Ben again. Cause they have you termized eh? A bachinum trigger Abach and Ladl. Hey, hey, hey, Anibi Peric. Any hola named Manam Shellman's been time there's a manche or a telephone, Sadnal and Shim Lo and Shi taf the Dim Havel Shelly, eh? Havertov Shelly with me, pal. Lolo, I'm a coriot of Sadna as in the Varba by Instagram the Matzali Keta Matrichiosa. Moni Ani a c a call stam, a col far die any covod the clumbe enkovod the clum. Enkovod. The ka the cavod the the cavodase. Lantelechrail, lobe metal vision. A few kavodats me. Lagid Atem Atemia Anachronish. So beneath us, I'm not sure.

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Shav Nessa securely Locher Masher me nachim talk, and secur polakahal secur of the Shalutanashim Matbegimel. Panu Rakim Tbegimel Mekurim Salvana. Wow. Mimi at Tegutam Tatova, Trak, Goltnov, Eichler, Gafni, Porush, Pindrus, Asher, Makleb, Tesla, O Afakadmem, Hegia's Mali Khot Khashim, as Afakadmemot Kolot, or a makleb, and the other. And even as the Shinui Bam Shalaba, Shia, Khadimimlo, Hasanika, no, the Shannon's nine, a Dirk, La Sotheza, Dereo, Lata Khakasima, the Pticha, Shall ha Migraja Polity, Le Miflagot, Hadashot, Shbuta Kartel, Shin Flagota Kayamot. Sim Chotman at Sasha Hosima, Lorito, the Mirza Sim Chorotman. Ah, okay. Lama Lama Shot. Lama Kim Mod Farimita Haute, Salem the Amazon's law, them okay. Next. Then to kim politica, faggling, faggling is a block at a block of technique. Lovu? Ket Lov. Lamashaw shouldn't take that, Karashimandatim Shellavothasima, Yavulem Flagita to Vamimera. She men kill No, Hemisamanimarat. Ken, you've line your hut, the gidimanil over at the Hosima. Ah, ish well uh Thomas overle by the Udikod. Eh Zover Benet.

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That's a van t is over the bench of the imitation?

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No, and it's a te shenasemishalam. This monim Tirou any data po meteor Melamed the Khavermerav Mashibet and Bevermeer?

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And it can skill reichstag. Ken Shana Shimela ima ima Lothar, Shesh Tesha, Z, Yavoima Hulzotha Kishila and Vishgihu atorab Hirote, Matavenu Aguma. Shang Raitish Matacilanu Kalach.

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Arabikomikaele, Viliocham, Ad, She Achrolakolotnis Paro, Vadcha Matafan Nechtemet Vinishlachl, Metabhirushalaim. Lola Zov Vrega, Halifne. Kizema Shemonead Gnevatam Hirot.

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Okay, Zhehad, Ashenianimer, me od, me odme od Brurazot. Vilaf shirk naslemot la Kalpi.

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Zegamot. Mazilaf shir. Kalma Libskin Betakir Modma for Sam Jamishat Panchas, Hanal Melter, then negher lachnismatzlimot Mamatan Karega. Karegan Hushov shares the Stolberg, should have Kirot. Zudmat Kariga Su. Karegan Lodia. Or shouldn't Lament should halo marine. Ah Kragania Kevish Stolberg if Hannah Hol.

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Kah Tashabakmahov. And you tell a girl and shim shakluli or shame. Let's adata stand up shall netzel. And you should shavar chuka stand up with Sali Let Kufa.

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Let Kufa. Habibi.

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Gamma Saiti yet Satua. Am Mardi Solberg and nine minutes at sort. Wow, tough.

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Lachat Soved. Tok Ganula Mitot. Veshano Kamazman? Stein Vatic. The same. Azure. Azidu because managed to dalify Adif Adif to the Alamitot. Tamir to Damash Batabu Mukemizo. Underscript building. Gamuchalo shot law because it's a Joe Rogan Shavash Automash.

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Last man standing. Add a lilac.

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Bonagisha law the loyal cafe barama azotzelo. And she lobelive him. Sikum Poalam Kirav erm Natim Vamata Kamuvan. Lambda style boss. Iolkshmoni short. Shashanim. Viduk. Nulemedina botifasaba. Timhrube quasi medinot. Ya mphagrim ya. Anuhaniashka Makiranashim Shukima thought it's a lo vanti, lo vanti ma ma yo. Ugam.

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Ughimbad, Ugamoni Rakmul if Neshavashenim, Rayti Rayonito, Mashuba Panim Sloit a Vit. A lot of Makaralo. Eh Macaralo.

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The law and Ledati, Yeshiku baby Mamash, a comhabhutu. Log. Lock you cross.

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Making cross. Ah, Ulonira, Lotim Zauto. They're Benam shit's battle of Nesheshmasim and Lotimza.

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And she has the Bennett Srimishesh. The Loto Model. And and it committee baby. Atali Kunika Gavlo?

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Lo Kagamlo.

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Gamlo.

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Vaniha very cook. No, I need packet.

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Lo primary skin. I'll buy it. Gamma Pure Petek, Machal, Bur shoot, and the other. No. Velaken transfer. Transfer, transfer, transfer, LFP, transfer, transfer, bilaterally, multilaterali, Imasayot, blimasayot, transfer the ecological. Stamley Stamley, uh, night do it and stare because I'm not going to be a little bit of a celebrity shaming. Ah, but the perkad, um very sha, we pref professor. She doaged you to kariga. As yesterday actually situatia vihash and kedugmata, and the pharaohiti and laot, add comas mvikmash in a marsham, uh motivation, the Bikal, Bichal the Nifzamu Kinati, Moshe Biti uh Biti Bashnia, Murazava, Azatov, e the Valjone a Tzhasim Lev. Ansbachir Devel Aval uh, the microphone at Tumetletsibuit. Lolitzok Bertarot, Lolit Abands Michavuk. Seriously, Zelonaim. And you mustim, Avalom speak. Eh die, speak, die, die, the dam, Evano, Ata, Evano, Evano, Asita, Evano, Evano, Todaraba. Eh, I spell, Icebel Hitova Dayom. The Waknasai Umschtabehim Kekholchin Safim Khomeim. Iceberg Mishtabeh. Shall Shell Mishukan, Mishukan, eh Sakmulah Bashvila Siri Itakan Gida, Bekev Kolshu, Milvadab Gida, Smash Koshnat Kaplan, Veshell Tsavasha Lem Jomer, Ah, Nahulob Sraq, eh ben Ben Bemase Bebdal, Bemashimb Svatondaim, Elach and Sava, Veramatkalomer, Ah Lon Besakolb Sedr, Begadole Begadola Colosel Ifgashti Rashad Savanimasimek was a goldabra. What if you can on Shimadim of the cold beside and it doegla la show, anikashov, anikashov, can at lechatala kelehaditam, a cold seder. Zinibi Shebikiso, Goffanish, so Aval Avalemusim Musim Le Khabel Bkumatisrael vehantly bam, amen, vemen. Vehicle divanul Razniz reasedah.

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As an equitan be small panave.

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Asani Anike Karosenbe Monte Cristo Bichateau, Log Shani Bachu Shwar, Anibachulaf. Loteklashita Tarek, Shitata Mitahama, Ashana Shim, and Ashujim Alafarzazot, Yholim Bhlet, Lachlifoto Batase, eh Korikadle let kufar let kufaruya, ulafidu, uhacham, she noumi mi priamalam, uhir Kevgadol, Kifgadol, uh, I'm not sure. She's a good thing.

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Lola Pika Bidi. Avi Avi Aviadol Bukhari.

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