#959 דיבייט: האם יש אלוהים והאם יש תורה? | הרב ד"ר מיכאל אברהם VS ד"ר ג׳רמי פוגל

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט "על המשמעות" עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את הרב ד"ר מיכאל (מיכי) אברהם וד"ר ג׳רמי פוגל לדיבייט על אמונה, תבונה וההסבר הרציונלי למחויבות דתית. 
הדיון שלפנינו מפגיש שני קצוות אינטלקטואליים בהגות היהודית והכללית בת זמננו. מן העבר האחד, ד"ר ג׳רמי פוגל, חוקר פילוסופיה ומחבר הספר "פילוסופים נגד אלוהים", המציג את עמדתו הספקנית של הפילוסוף הסקוטי דייוויד יום. פוגל מאתגר את יסודות האמונה הממוסדת ומצביע על כשלים לוגיים ומעגליים, לתפיסתו, בטיעונים המבקשים להסיק את קיומו של האל מתוך הטבע או להסתמך על עדויות היסטוריות של אירועים על-טבעיים. מן העבר השני, הרב ד"ר מיכאל אברהם, פיזיקאי ופילוסוף, מציג משנה רציונליסטית ייחודית שאינה נרתעת מהספק, אלא משתמשת בכלים לוגיים קשיחים כדי לבסס את סבירותה של האמונה ומעמד הר סיני.
במהלך השיחה עולים כמה מן הנושאים המרכזיים של הפילוסופיה של הדת: טיעון הכיוונון העדין (Fine-Tuning) המדגים את מורכבותם הבלתי סבירה של חוקי הפיזיקה, טיעון העד ההיסטורי והאופן שבו מסורת קהילתית רציפה מעבירה עובדות מדור לדור. המשתתפים מעמיקים בבחינת עקרון הסיבתיות הפילוסופי, ובוחנים האם ניתן לעשות קפיצה לוגית מהכרה ב"ישות ראשונית מופשטת" אל עבר מחויבות להלכה היהודית היומיומית. 
האם הדיווח על מעמד הר סיני שונה במהותו ממיתוסים על דרקונים בסין העתיקה או מהתגלויות מריה בפורטוגל? כיצד משפיע עקרון האנטרופיה ומודל היקומים המקבילים על השאלה אם היקום תוכנן במכוון? ואיזה תפקיד משחק הספק במניעת פונדמנטליזם דתי וחילוני המסכן את הלכידות החברתית בישראל?
המאזינים לפרק זה ייחשפו לניתוח מעמיק של תיאוריות הכרה, מדע ופילוסופיה. השיחה אינה עוסקת ברגש דתי מופשט, אלא מפרקת לגורמים את ההצדקות הרציונליות לקיומו של בורא ומנסחת מחדש את גבולות הידע האנושי.

00:00:00 היכרות ופתיחת הדיבייט על קיומו של אלוקים
00:04:36 הסקנדל הפילוסופי שמאחורי אמונה במעמד הר סיני
00:11:40 תשובת הרב מיכי: אמונה מבוססת על רציונליות ובהירות
00:18:48 האם ההסתמכות על מסורת הר סיני היא טיעון מעגלי?
00:26:48 איך קופצים מפיזיקה לאל פרסונלי בעל רצון?
00:33:48 ביקורת על השוואת היקום לשעון בעקבות דיוויד יום
00:43:00 המבחן הפילוסופי של יום לקבלת עדויות על ניסים
00:46:41 מסורת סין העתיקה: דרקונים אמינים כמו הר סיני?
00:52:00 עקרון הסיבתיות - הכרח אפריורי או הרגל פסיכולוגי?
00:58:38 המעבר מהנחת קיום בורא לקבלת עדות על התגלות
01:01:31 טעות היורים: הפרכת העקרון האנתרופי של סטיבן הוקינג
01:08:38 יום ומדע: לדחות אירועים שסותרים את חוקי הטבע?
01:14:26 דוגמה מהחיים: מתי הגיוני להאמין לדיווח בלתי סביר?
01:18:40 הרב קוק והאפשרות להתגלות אלוקית לעמים אחרים
01:25:04 הוויכוח על טבעו של הבורא: מניע ראשוני או אל מתערב?
01:35:56 סיפור שורדת השואה ומלך דנמרק: סכנת שיבוש הזיכרון
01:46:35 במה באמת שונה מסורת הר סיני ממיתולוגיות עמים?
01:54:19 סוקרטס, האלים היוונים ועיצוב תודעת המונים היסטורית
02:21:39 הרב מיכי מזהיר: סכנת הפונדמנטליזם החילוני והשמאלי
02:30:20 תוכן למנויים: ד"ר פוגל על בן גביר ואחריות תקשורתית (פרימיום)

#פודקאסט #על_המשמעות

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SPEAKER_02 0:18

Okay, okay intellectual. Ken.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

Ken, Ken, Elohim, Elohim Eloim Elohim Elohim Elohim. Elohim, a kadosh Bauchu, Tire Azan, Anirotzelatil, Mizesh and M Vakotamir, Tamir Dortal, Mzashema Mitishwa, Venisamehmoche Tamirkan can is Zahiti, Tadash and Oevetarav, Makir Tarav, Marikitarav, Filuxat Maritz Tarav, Vezachiti Lidaber, Vedbno, Shekanitano, Vezachiti Lidaberi Marav a Kama Vekama V Kamapah, Mika Mohayodea, Azman, Aze, Apo, Kamazman Nishar, Harshav and Isamer, Shani Zoche, Le Canes, Le Diyun, Patuach, Tachat Nitsiut Kilo. Aval Anywevita et Chuka Philosoph, Anywevita et Omek Hashivashcha, it's a teuza, it's a yadanut. Masheken, like Davidium, Gdola Philosophim Negedelohim, but so far, Yoter, Meshachnea, Oti, Veledatigam, Bihlal, Mimcha, Mkola Kavod. Lama ke Davidium Takaf be Pikrut Pilit et Amoudim, Nashimid Basisim La Rov que de Vaset Munatam be Elohim, Anashim Bihlal Avalbekar Kodarav Mihyavram Bifrat. Vzeh Alef Ayfsarut la Sikh et Elohimateva, Vebet Ayf Sharut La Sikh et Elohim al-Basis Eduyot al Elohim Nisihim. She's him yet, but we have to be able to get the micolmine of the memory shonim, and speculative cognitive archavita enushit, attack me, and mashu. Maniabil Timuna, Sibatatsmo, Ata Kroll Zoim, Fadal, Charlie Kroll, Shakinoza, Mashu. If she massu, mashou, yesh mashu. David Young, he means the scandal philosophy. Scandal Philosophy Acrobat, Yikum la Elohim Hayudi.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Aval Aval Aval Lamazinim to Khristivatim and Tikon.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

Okay, Nabelza. Okay, a scandala tuni shall sinay. Magalim la chalutin, and it's yo kha empirity storyt le erwa al T Vish Sinay, Elef Khamesmochanal Fnasfirah or Mashukba Zoraz, Magalim la Khalutin Remanachum, Khayevim Laminki Ayusham Shesh Motelef, Echtha Yusham Shesh Motelef, the katov text, Echteldaash text amin kyum deberashesh mot elef, echtash Ayushesh Motelef kiesh text, Magal. Shav Magal shodaravutipautam Tukkam, Atanach, Uamin ki umeshakev masoret rechava, echam masoret rechhavani oda me atanach, echan yoda tanah ma masorot rechava, ana kumbi od magal. Anachunbe m shne tiunim Magalim, shne tiunim afasim, F S plus Fs Fs uh Adawarze Lomeshhachnea baalil, Valken, veine anhum gimla puenta shelah ptichazut. Adramati, kanti ptichadramati. Valkena li rod batuha textedlo. Nahon, nahon na konahon. Aval beinaten khmashella ishaze, ha yedah hadir ki doctor ba physica, to any an kafar. Madamiti. Madam doctor la physica rav ve philosoph beinaten kala yeda byadanota mar shimazot, you termiena, tehom be kuma philosophilkoda rav Michi Avramekeunim show marchella, kadel vas te munato ba'el. Rational l'e vain rationalizatim, gdolador, madim, beladikelohim. Af the lawed, yeshpo anahata me vukashwa mautit varim mahim. Asha, the nim sayem masha niroze ayom Biglashita is the diun mitian anismachlishtahne. Anis machl, Tamar atta ayom muhal lasim again. Anio tse makipa azot, anim sayem itunaze ima kipah azot, vani masti fada filuk interesse, uhamash, mm shele te minal. Animabed colamatpunve, is arbitronot andanuim sh deark vusav, mafta if shruot livta, mitzi baula, mitsi lot. Ainyanu, uhde Arabze Uno la toch misgereta boti musiamet gamani, kulanu, ada vanze lawyerzboa tunim shelano. Kolehad, kolel madanim roy metolamitochnikulat mabat misuemet. Aval kude khzot universalizatya, tzrich vekadesheloni ebbe hanahatamukash musheta antiershov, animatia mifranasini, a mifranasini is omer, anin abeshani bhouba arets, vakarbekut sinim sh mitanin nim tarbuta yudit me comin si bota musarot, alkalidva echelan, aiti machelaimashim chahamim, sh Yodimita Tabuta sinit, fotius lautse, Loshamu clum alay adut. Yodim shamsh kabela represen nobelzemanotam. Tiun shekodarav uh Yekadem, Veneomerezele ish sini, or peruviani, polynesi, shukham, shumelumach, makirta tabuchelo, venire at cama, the mulyot, mechnea, avo, kesuke litmus test, uh, uhimisakem Tiunea Rav Mhachhamimonimleha.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Me Apollinese.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Ah, no, Bonire bo anomer bo, andiomer Bonne Damien Beritam and Lotlo, what I shani the beritam. Love and Shora mid Vishina Mitkara, and my cre hypothetic. Shatiun Shelara, docted. Bald ki foot universality, Arizemashu toen, Araftoen, Shaytiunim Shem Shesus Ma Daisy, so uh Sinim ki blue to Rata evoluția, and mum le kabeleti. Okay, um Anit Anitoen, Veshov and Ismail Mufta, and Shumba Yal Hzor Shav, Bachuva Hayom, Basihochha Yalano, M Loshiknuoti, and Hosh Beta Shallasini or Ahodi Shelly, An Lom Shakneim, Venia was not like the Vakeshmi Tasihazot, Mara, and Rosh and Shimoto Kfim, Vihasu, Arab Shani, Vulh, Anime Vince Munot, Los Tamunotes, and I'm not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Okay. And I'm going to go to the house. So, we have to do it, as in Sheikh Rafael. And you have to show you the first time. So, I'm going to go to the house. So, we have to say, and he's not going to be able to do the mispath. So, we have to get a lot of people who are not going to be able to do it. Then Dugma, a kivot, okay? Oh, as we can, should we have a move? Okay, so we have to say, Okay, the Jeremy Markham Shua Muskim, the Refishma. Okay, Imlona Dunaschim, Tiziot and Shah.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Slika.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Lolo become meta. No, I mean, can you get the Mugdam Bekerivakal Kilo?

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Sorry, the lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

She knows Transcendent and the people who are not going to be able to do that. But we have to be able to do it. So, we have to do it. Okay? You have to get this in the world. So, we have to do that. So, we have to do this. But it's not a good thing. As the Homer, and we have to be able to do it, and you're vacuum, she is shoot called Transcendent, Philosophie. Okay? And we have to be able to do that. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

The Carsagan, the category of the Macot Besinay, the Lobby Duke, Nasi, Lotsafu, Brama Politic. Obama care.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Okay. Simulator.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

God of gaps, the tumidai le Ramatosh, Yavana, Ziren Zebum and Bikle Zeloim, Hezbarthavlohti Lazbir, Ze Anhatam Vukasha Mov. So, Mashta me vinha, ki atalom vinta davatmo, the var shani vin. Ani Amarti Arafel Biglalze El tortzavota yikum ve elavi Malkmotzimo la fine tuning. Ken Tun mea ki v nuna din lokiachotan lo kehotan Arafel, bigal show malebe ivadaut. The kol tzah tiuni ou tsa tiuni speculativi ma' mod Bigla Zani omer masha tachozempatkaz, the chayav behachyodmash mod raze, shhez mashu, afilo tahlit, wafilo kavana, filulo ishiut, wa filolo razzon, ze kvarat bakot, me odmod Hazakot, Yahasit le Mashtahola shotless malatito. Theponiken be meirut Yavor Allah al Mash Devidium omer shehem shemashed devidium besarkolomer show who batsmoeminch mashu, yesh mashu. Avalama if sha gidarbeme everleze, Aleph, ki himzetim shelpuadov, or shaon, hontiuna shaan, and the midbarani mutze shahon, aniloya niyash stamkarab, twa randomality ma ruhoche vitahil kikim and yanir sha'an, and mistakele layikum yesh sedamftivi Ilayya bota muhkavbaikuma s minashon, andi khavla nirche shaan laikumaihole shahan laikum uh akedoshbohu eloim e shafbayum vomer Zemevusasa l'alogia. Analogia, echazaka arvehag im snea dwarim shata mashve tam mikdomim keshtuhala gidmashumashmouti. Sohaniana ni tanti lifni rega, shafdel ben Obamaker Leven uhmad nisib arsenai ukul kargadol Sha ifsha ba mmetli ton mashu al Obamakar shelomashmaut al arsenai. Ken umrim uh uh uh Tapuhimve Agasim pose Tapuhimve Safta Shli.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

So, the Varim shame category mushni was a mercy my madmair, my sharehouse.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

As qdeja nyhala gidmashumashmoti al shaon o alzaadim al khofay uh alayikum al-basisel o shaon o tsaadim al uhayam uh tsarishad varimele yudomim and shum casher ben sha'on levenikum shaunu chhefet chib de musimatamsuemt, yikumu etzemaif shahut, lit kaimutam, shel colo khafatim kulam, the categorite mashushonel halutin, shtime, zetiunchimfusas nisayon vechhaya, yeshlanu abeni sionu shonim oimsaadim Khofayam, andan nu uhbeni sayoni mayikum, a knu ratma krim tayikum azze, shalosh, zetiunchani mode, imata ma shwe eta yikum betuap rait le sheonim o le t'adim be khofayam. Ashalashoto gam the tigris, o le etanu sion, shel sade, blim sader, ken sh abba im tigris, ima tigris, boom, stuts, yot's tigris ketano, no verma kodem, ulaya ikum, ulock moshaon, ela uyoteh mo tigris, o et abba ikum imaikum boom trach yikum or ayukuma kodem navamimeno ykumaze, ifalla gid him ze oze ki call bafhaze shell, shelltahuta, yeda philosophy vamadaya andoshi arba el bore bechmasbir shavar. Bare el bore, the can so foshlevax that god of the gaps, can you elbore mefoelzeia, ech la gid as a rova ban, ah, farasuri, it's not done. Ashaumer, uh, the zbereck, me aikum matril me, my patzgadol, if neza aniloyoder, meth aniloyod, and the bacar gam him, yikuma z eta el atafra lommel has the elchra. They're him, the holy personal muda, the whole bikar gaminoza, to me, anash attacks, salto mortalis a kfitzah, mia el hamashuazhata masikma yikum, la el shel sinay, and the salto salto mortalis Yaobi Amarle Lessing, al eres dwa lessing takshiv imatam olichma rational youth spinoza, that's tamitnagedlo, the kyrk guard, the kf absurd, the lessing analo, takeshiv Bashlavaza, dwai, and falo kofets shumakom and spinozist, uh, or the kochobemotno, u can kofets um tfitza, shata kolosman mili tachlit, shap spinoza let'sohanyan, sh maskimbes of itra, itti im yum, sh eze shumashu, shap um, or sibatatsmo, can bourme tatsmo, uh shesh and it's riva and sofish annuchanimb shemelohim oteva poel methodam, the kmoshu lop Poel Le Manchum Ikarono Tahlit Kacha Ulopoel Metochum Icarono Tahlit. Elakyumok mopeolo, Hashat kol Tahlit, and tahlit. Ha zehata maniklo Ratson, Tahlit Shatta Zakuklo, Kdei, La Sotakfitzazot, Kode Latz Dikota, Zedavar Sha Lohchazarta Itobe Met Meprana Philosophit Me Ambassash, Bachfil Yutazot Kivuna Adin. And Say Magido Chaprimila Kivduna Adin, Animivita Vrima Basafra Mr. Maher, Ale Fayali, Anilomaskimimatiunchel Havershle Anselm Bato Arishon, Avalunisharitola Shanim, Anselm, Yomushoton, Detective, Aval Anselm Amore Zbireta Bashur, Bakitaita Tune Makivdunadin, Rasikim Shakuim Shell Yumzem, Yubidukoshem K de Shachun, Lichyodbo, Zekmoli Scot Beloto Yom Benshim Nagid, Zadavar Bitisav Lachalutin Barushaman She Mashukoreka, The Anselm, Atam Maniach Meroch, Shezemkan Vemabrim, the Keflanov, Noshiot, and Zedov, Nagidio Tem Ykum Shurak Kristalim, O Ykum Shurak Maim, O Ykum Shurak Atomium Shalomit Ladimler de Shunzua. Anilmaskim and Shosh Kore, Carval, Negezenia is Dainu, Baruchatnaim She Yaf Shirula Nulit Kayem Kianachnu Kan K de Lifhronotam. Dugmapshuta, him aninoramit palebraze ketasha orimshiliv Gushuki, Abashlibidukayab Mahar Tsiurim Bebmol, B Ohio, Vazupagashta Imash and the Ibe Tautasham, as Barush the Sikuim Odmon Modolim, and the Barush the Karaki Imloa Taloita, Mabayapones Mola, Vayamatrina Governed by Hanuta Glidot, or Imaita Mam Shikalatima More Yoga, as the Titan Paleme Echemin Katawaita Kayam, the tune, the Baikarmod opsataherot, codem call mashama dayom romezanushore, shesh Arbemo, Yikumimagbilim, or Shesh Rav Yikum, or Shai Yukumazekmosh or Begalaxio Shab Ykumim, Vazhikumim Kael, Kaleve Kaleve Kaleve Mashkore can Upashud Manachnu Pashud Nim Saimba Ykum Shavadze Kore Nikuda. Kahoca Hoka, animaskim, Sheesh Mashu, Ani Khushev, a Ezor Vzanikunashilum, Ezora Iva daut, have philosophy, Lorra Kamade, a philosophy ba roved, U Kokadol Blaze Kinit Zerapel, the Mashtachet Micham the Mashu. Ima Mashuaz, okay, mashu, atana Tataloratzon, at Tata Lothlit, Lomuzak. Pa anirotzer regalicanes, la moka mok by niana zeshell sinai. Sinay, sina, sina, sina, sina, sina nice, sina nice, sina nine. Any gidrega it at Yum, can she weep, uh, uh, look at the same thing. Shaman to be fair, I've shame philosophy. Shaman, you can't get a lot of people, show Motzeba Tuna Theology Physically. Anilo Hilefi and Hazot, Zoemuna, and Bonagi, ma'am, I've to that Yacholochama say, Animamine, I mean, odd Aniba Rafel, Animudas Bishaf. Again, Venibia, Lagid Mashomer Socrates, uh, If you're Shanirakiodish and Lod any Chomalogdo Love Tana. But every Homalogdo La Veloctana. Uh Maskarati Mashamathiot Traverse, Mashu.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Ever is an Omer, Venus Venus Lailo, Ulailo, Ulacan Ulailo.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

Ainyan, uh Groteski, Benami Pra Philosophy the C Nib is regulate my kids. Okay, Mirkar Binata Adam. Davidum, uh, Alanisim, Be Peric Aleph Umatran, Mefran and the First. Specific, Meshuneo Muzaro Lotafoo. Lama hem pachod Zvirim Mizesha edu uhet or mefulbellet or masheloy. Eve poy shot, eta eta tunim a mefusamimva yafim shelo. Aleph Pashut law you must speak Edinburgh, you must speak and must speak Edin, Potomid Nassa in Yanasha Yush Motelf, Anita Midomershima Sina Shesmot Elephumanim Katuf, Yo, Makara Besina, wow, the wheel, the wheel the odd, wow, it must have wow, the hat, verdeh, vodyhat, as I mean that. Yesh text the had or massoret, a chemerat alassipuraz, and shum remut ne mana chutmze. Sheim, anashim neim le debera nisimkef, mosha nashim neemla sodzkibuz, as adsofa erfakaru etze, million Vhimki Nashem Fizim ofhel, totarim Nisim Bimuch, Luata, Veshaban She Kodesh Hashovlaim Shamin Banisim Kvanyot Shem Mohrim, can what's him odmahmin, mm shawim, le deberisim banisim agenda. Divukimal Nisim de Futzim Bekarbe Kervamim Shem Barbarim Venivarim, Shemilon, Fuyayum, Aval Kenze Nachon Shabol and Divuhimal Nisim baim yoter, which at m odim abbechod, yotermaday, yoterazionali, mash pelephone, the kolecholaid, al Eruhim altivim, pitom eluim Numid Bayesh, Uloma TikTzmo Muzah. Yeshgam metabaya Bani Olachit Maket Bodreba, Shel Ribbisim li fibuya shit, so that Shaniamin Benissim Shaniamin Benissim Kia Masoret Kyesh Masoret Amin, Van Yoseta Geshraze, Azabaya ba the Azlamin Banessa Zh, Shel Sinai, we sim not sim, sinim, or Ivanim o Muslimim Vehul Veholiholi. And I'm not going to be able to rebate, and yet historian seferatic. Sefere historian, are you archaeologic, so we have to talk about it, and we have to be able to do that when you have several, and we have to have a lot of people, and we have to be able to get a lot of people who are not going to be able to get a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that, but it's not a problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Anselm. And you can see your terms. They are not going to be able to do speculative, the bigless, so that's what we are speculative, the massive artage. Alternative is it? Okay? So when you do it, you can see the same thing. But the devout mean, but I mean, you can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:06

The Ramathuk is a very good thing. And I'm not sure. Haim Mitlavah, Masoret, Shemit Akash Lomar, She the Achen, Hayah Venivra. Okay, as I'd say, we can't see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Can the Timolo?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:29

Okay, so can also be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

Okay, as an I have showed Hem Schlepo, Bayad Sushum Kyoto, the whole sound cabel cast the Hassut. Lemon, you can see that the Kabelpo Bama, the video, with the Var. And Kema and Torah, podcast, or shit. Okay, if come if you have the Varrotish bad, show a vague unkiatza. What about you? No, I'm not sure. But they're the anachonomically, Gamba Fizzivasus digital, Lehul. Matter. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:15

Okay. Okay. Mashohu. Aniloma Anish etamashu, Aniloto in la dachunavar, anni m anime vince the speculative haloutin. Pashut ni ral yoter savirche sibarishonit, anni thalla chalutin, ni rayoter savir sh gorem tatzmo, ni rali gionishe, afilubali la gid shell etzemayesh, hayesh yesh no, etemayesh, animamin ba etemayesh. Mod, hayesh yesh no, aine neno, anni alb in parmenides, ima fragment as it anilorbeverlesham. Ani mama sore bevel sham. Nah, Valanisham, Anibe speculatiam, alefamaz, anni behovgeula ni etemayesh anniweze anisham okay. Asham called the varme everleze, anilomart, vaniloitiomer, the gameta ktazeshani kenomer, anni be speculatia muchlet be olam sh and be shumpanivo shum to washelvada out a abaya inkarzelock yum shelmashu can mashu. Shabana shamask bimseze mashu kayam. And the mashany the philosophia and shit la binamel khit, de culamaski bimbusfesh, shemashu kayam. A yaskamabeninuzelo al mashu el altivo shelamashuaz. Can anyomera yeshno uh, la mashuaza. Tadani anitra ima ima si barishonito a mania binti muna ni shaval Avalmever. Nah, Aniba Rafelomer Barafel Vehole Chanito, Vanilo Hai Lefe Zeloi m Bonagi Loite Olalmatosanianki atta Kenim Tsabamatos. Anilonim Sabamatos, Ani Loity Olalmatos, uh Technologia She Yatrauto, Iberamatas Viruchela Mashu, attakenim sabamatos. Anilo, asaniomeryala.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:10

No, Shela Kamumfid ki ula med litrasec, orakomed.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

Stime.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:20

Shnea, lovel. Who lock mismo bank for the photo alzha? Yeah, lovel shne. Bonito photo rack almash, photo. Shnea. Taba. Tada.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:38

Comments. Lama lamo would say rack Jeremy. Lamu Mita Lam racko Jeremy. Why? Baro, Ani Tag, Bash, and Marist. Avalta to kefotti as a thousand. Okay, anyway. Nikuda. Anikudaikazot, Boni Retinimer Tinim, Maratini Rotin. Avalanikola Kazot China Besoshu Speculative Vanitraba Rafel, Ani Pashut Modebarafel, Vanilo Chai, Lefi Amascanochani Magi Arafel. Aniraziti Rakla Gid Odmashu, Arav, Yikum Shov Atamakiro Fisgar Bretter Mimani, and Niken Shuma Michavaraya Fisigalim Zot Echadma and Echadma and Nachottavoda Shela Physica Biamino. So, Marshavash are being savir. Look at the Niggsarim, the Marshaven. Okay, low Jeremy. Amarticelli, I'm Tichi, Amarthi. I'm going to repeat Massov Elohim Mash Bidu. No, Mass. Minastam, she calls Sikuim Lishodanim. Okay, beside the Ani Hotse Lagid, She Aniotei Mashu Veshe Zeus, Speculative. Aleph Benogele Yum Vanachnolobed Yun al Pashanut Yum Law Anachun Notim Li Polcha Mata Vanili Famim, Avalanihavla Gitch at Toebeno Gele Yum Vattoeben Furash, Otalom Deyekben Furash. Aleph, Yum Lah Bemeta in Ameta Hazeben, Attaba Atzmecha Amartha, Shibatiuti Lova Dait, ilo ehit, Anahulohim La Sikota mea Nisayon, Vanachnun Mukbalim la Nision de Tha Toshha, Itha Gafant Meshachne, Avalatomer Yum Toter Tatsmo, Kipito Mata Mistamecha la Sibatutko the Lishletaf Shawchan Anisim. Aleph, Kola in Yanchel Yum, Vitzliskota Agenda Clitchelo, the Litkovita Vadaut, Bamvanaza Tavuumskim, Utokefeta Vadaut, Vazza Nachnu Notarimbe Olam Sh Bomales Viruyot, V Yumbem Furashomer, Gamim Zechelfiat Torah Shelia Tzmi, and Nilohla Dabadauchol Pam Shanichnista Ezbalaesh, the Isroflamatashua Nechnis Kar, Oanya Pileta Eta Et Vimcom Raj, Yeta Chich and Beethoven, Gamim Teoretit Yeshtaf Shawut Azot, Nahon, Ani Adine, Lolech Latzet Mechalon, Womer Forash, Baushaani Poelfias Viruyot, Ani Pashut, Atiunchelo Yotra Din, and Vadaut, Zada Varcha y al Khashov, Liton Khariq me agenda politic agav metuha vanash fundamentalism that team is the mechanical vadaut, we made the vadaut as a fundamental tati, shekeben and neuro tay al Khashouv, Lena Sot Velasot. Veda Sheni Ube Meforash, Bapere Kalanisim, Ufda, Med Alif Sharut, Shel Erwah, Kharig, Sheken, Sakh Yhselav K Amiti, Anil Kha Kriilcha, Amud Merba in Vishmo, Henani Vakesh, Bassefair, Mekabit Varbilata Adam, Naniakh le Machal, Shekola Mechabrim, Bechola Safot, Maskimim Sh byhab Yanwar, Bishnat Elf Sheshmot, Sarrah, Shechamlet, Behola Ola Mesh Moneyamim. Naniakya Masoretta Osak by Rua Hagaza Dain Kayemed, the Rovach had Bekerva Mima Shonim, Ki call Anshea Masaot, Khzrim Marzotzarot, Mosrotlanu divuchim alotama sorret, Vizot Leloshoui Kal Shakalim Ostirakol Shi. Baru Vegalui ki philosophim shelanu kayom becom la tilsafekba Ufdazot Minauishabloa, ke Ufdava Daid, Veifnul Kapes Achara si bota share, mehen yayita aswa linba. Upachod by atimashtamer Bamazi. Otodavar po Ashab Lama Lotodavar, Maimat Naim Shomitsiv, Zha Zelevadion, Zelevadion. Womer Tatspiot Shonot Vemeshunot Anshea Masaot Stomer Zamik Sosham Unotento Colminate Naim Vatnayot Sinait.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:32

Shelachana, Yum Bidvaraban. The Kodesh? The Koreakmo text Shekilo?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:43

No, lolo. Actually, uh, it's Litoramisina Lotina. It's better yum lotomisina. Okay. Yum Ta'av, Yum Tag, when you shouldn't have been to Ugamayanti Shemi, Ugam Itakesh Los if you uh the Tunis, and you know Adam Barchat, and you said that's a good thing. Besinachum the Riman Masoret Achat, Masoret Shilam Echad, I shavanachmu Yudimbe Vadaut, Bit's Empirit, Sh Obe Ramamon Mozviraki, Mamatrix, the Imam Yod Vadaim Alayum, Avanahmu Yudimbe Ramamu Mozvira Shall Amve Amve Am Y Shlomitosim, Shem Mazbirim et a Ech Olam Ftia, Ve Ech Tarbut, Shaba Atamitkayem Hegiya La Olam. She Romus Vremulus Beroma, veh sha sipurimbe Teogenia Shelezyodus B Yavan, vehmuta sipurima ele bisinche odregani orzelarzolem. Abshav, and shumda varba muvanazi yot se ken. But uh eduta sina it, imatamitech la textamikri, or imatamiteches la Khazitah Rechava, so called uh soret shell amita Khazid Rechava, Shimina, and Kretia Yoma Iliada, the Jamod Apollo, you're ready, the column, Gamzaya Khazid Rechava B Yavan, as Imanah, Gamba Drakonim, the Gambe Apollo, the Gamba El Shemid Galeb Sinai, the Gamba Polynesia, the Gam, Vegam, Vegam Vegam, Zmatrilio, Mm-hmm. Haiyanze or him saprim siprimitologim, the chelik micola tabuyot, colela tabuchelanu, the lot noten chashum samchut philosophit amit kelevasatium. Sheinman teta philum sipur mama safta shelta uh sorry the choita better zen shit. Alfumachotcheli, shash e timo karovella, vegam mode rachtidze shek shiloyada, o los zacha, asita minamra in Lord Salagid. And in Lord Salagid can ilomede isha od modamina, ba Dvarim Shambra. I'm Mothshuv Ataroce Lo Shikart. Venizochani Terzenstadt, Lamachane, V Matsum Matsanu Barishmocha Meta Shemocela, Shelav Shella Kyochella, Azimamash Bachtavra Tahroeshelo Shikarty, Ataroleche Lostamsi Particip, Ven Sush No, it's Ragashtigamanikamati, Mimichla Khashav Shikartela Davarze, Valayal Khashovala Minucela Educhela. Melech Denmark. Bidiook, Melch Denmark Long. She's a very good thing. As you can, you can't get a little bit of a very important thing. Okay. David Kiru Lama Lama Zeloka, Lama Yonabia Dag, Ken, so atanach Bemforash textlo eduti story Amina, V Hamasorot, Shelas Tanah at Masorat, Hamas Ad Sipurim is a very good thing. As an Mudaim speculative, and the people, me alternative story, the better, shall we? Avalanche.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:42

We talked about it. Okay? So it's a bird, but it's a fine tuning. So we're not going to be able to make a ball, but we have to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:13

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:18

I know. But I'm not sure if you have a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that. But we have to use the alternative, that's what we're doing. Law, the gap, bido. Aval Godov Gaps kaze, and he can make a bill. Okay, the Gama Mirage.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:09

And if no ketash?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:12

Look, Bishop, physic, my coat.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:37

Lumsa. Anika Anachnu Anikfa Animuhan La Shirla Kaala Kadosh Ve Kham Vea Melumad. She shall tunchha, tatiunchelive, mascanashalo, benogiala kivnun a adin, the benogiala sheminastamza mi flat uh post Darwinisti, Lemisha Av et uh uh teunim minateva, and maskim an attapa should a safashilha filo meshakefet anachat me Vukash concept, atomir bara, atomer Yotzer, atomir me. And Sibba and Siba. Anachnu Anachnu Rotzimlikabel, Sibari Shonit, Shama Evdel, Biglaze and Mashua Yoter Shaman Shata McNell. And you're the shaky mashua yoterze.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:29

Lo, Mamne, Asa, Loh. Mashua Zavan.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:34

Said Shua Rishit, Shua Gorem, said the Mashua Beta Virova Sikh Mashu Kariga Mutz La Halutin the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:59

So, okay, the pony, the pony omethazakim spinoza, okay? Okay, I'll sack no bichlah.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:13

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:14

Sibatachlit has doldocks. Even show effet of Tahlo, Mim Shechet, so Zesibar is Bercy Batila. Okay, Zesbera Techlitia.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:47

Uh Ulifamim, Betaut, Meshameroto, Ava Zotaut. Oh, Zemushanium. As Lona Horn? Say there are the critic.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:09

Mechanic analytics, a hukim, colour physically. So, you can see the UC at the one you toni, at the Ulgans.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:02

Vazatasha, Amarnu, Tamidomrim, Sh Shwamot Elfish, She Raufze Atanotend Dugmot, Fatima, Drakonim, Gamhamonim Sheimta Varze, Law, Avalet Slainu, Emita Kshim Lagid She Khashouf, Shachal Khudlifizkara, Vebiglazani Maminbe Sinai, Veloba, Dubim, She Lisha Vehle. Ashaw today anni Zorek Maer, can an Achnupo e ba Apollo Mofiya Mulkola at Sava can a shod alfanashim lifyasipur at Sava a Yevani Betroya Zekura Khare Ayevanim It's Banu ki Marsul Amigdash, Yaradni Pizgota Olympus Liboma lezam, Kashtoal Ktefav Vashbato amehusebea, Tsilzuluah Elak Mizam, Ksheit Kadem. Shaman, atmosfmarsavla, Socrates, Alma, Aleph Mekalketa Tsehrim, betashuloma amin by Elim Shebay Mamina Midina, eleba masim de moni mshim muchadashim. Imatam otsila oreg Adam, alkar show loma amin by elimamina andinah elabemasim demonimsoni muchadashim, canire shmoot cha shovlecha, emunazot titafes, or emunot mesuyamot, benogea la elim tita sukeamitim. Ma a zakrit gamma kriteriona ze, specifit gamma nivdok benogielisin, kriteriona ze ken haloge tabuyota chhrot, lorakabuchelanu, besin assipurima drakonim, agav umodomele sinayba muvanazh medubara al tikseham lacha. B tikseam lacha, ha shesh et heyoto akisar uh manig ha me kubal el simemanim al TVim shekalelu drakonim. So manchenaita mashma'out politit theopolitit le bisus shel erwahim drakonim kemamashi, bid you kmash mashmaut theopolitit uh la alti vieut shel sinai, kedivasesta alha. Asbamvanaza kenomet was standard. Avalasbedogala khaser lihoa. Direct, anilo uhega mahasa ma chasera masorit.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:24

Avalashmasorit. But shamashma komehad shabo misuamina yomba lima ivanim, uh. Aval Zesha Nachnu elefan.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:35

Zedavka Zeh She Hayevanim Rhova Yvanim Aga Veshaf Khazara Le Pulhan Pagani Beyavan, uh Zesh Rova Yevanim Khazrub Sheila. Zesh Slicha. Zeshova Yevanim Khzruba Sheila, Loff eta Sipurim She Mahemit Pakru Le Pachot Aminim, uh Talihea Khilunva and Neoruchani Mekaveve mit Palel Shikrube Israel Yotemutzlahimbe Yavan Karega Meshikan Adavarze Ulot Tiunce Mazdiketa Emota Ati Kotaele. Anirotse Avalagid Adavar Abba. Hazazashela Shah, and I bet Arikshanibaim Fatima, o emasipo Iliada, o emasipochel sin, Anibet, Krumlezik, and Tijuana Negeth Bota Marech, Charloton Totodov, as the Toser reductor absurdum. Asha, Tamid, atatosif odvod mafienim post hoc, bediavad, ala emunashi a imunash. Vatadegitov, enedze, veneze, viseloka be midbar, viselomushfamote. Homo sapiens, Lawal Timzali of the Had, Shinola Bebel, Shaibe Israel. Lo, Valtim Tsay Hacha. Call the Varbeat must be criteria of the Anahatam Vukash, Vulafu, Bechut Ayudit. At the same time, we have to be able to get the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:56

But we have to do it.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:49

Lama Zosha. Lama Amasorita Mitit Kemomrimit. Velama emo rimshiamitit, Kia Mitit. Velama Masorata Mitit, Vanachno, An Achnubagal, Annubagal, and a logal.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:03

To Atazutiamitit, because Matalobama Bada Lama Tanoba Mabadakia Mititama. Okay? I shav aniloma minlahem kizenachon. And I mean sick mask is an ahon, measash animal minlam. And poshuma galliot, I'll be doing the magaliot. The magali? Animaminlo kunilaniamin? Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:41

Utan utan magali. The lomagali, magali, ravih, atar shana taka loto. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:49

Holota can mechan who vet mer shimon marshou. The shimon makes a masha toinvasa. Okay, Kibalti, and Steinvasa is the old Kavakazman Lagaliadi. Yavo Jeremy Fogel Vegin, the Magali, Lamatamamino Elhara Shumindicatia. Kuniali Amin? The Hon? Thomas Magali.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:12

At a min by mass kinetramina. Besader can posh and Poshunova Magali. I can't.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:18

And look, I never fluches of semagal, the Nikuda, the Lord, the Mamin Limit Shamarli Marshu, and Person of Magali. The Hola Gili, like the me. Oh, a call beside that herit. Legabe Yesh Pratim Mesuya Mim. Should not so fim Lamaso, you're the Pratim Lanakoni. Okay?

SPEAKER_03 2:06:51

No, no, no. Ah, colour. And in the Bel Tovitzka podcast with my own.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:19

And by yeah, the loch is animal million mission. The Varchine Socrates Socrates has more locky belly. The Locorek. I muna Mitmashek, Lokoch. Gamba Dolo. Pratim Shelavimata Historia, Santa Kose Love Colasman, Vanhavana, Lom Shatef Pulaimilo, Mekabel, Pyrotechnica, Shaitan Misaviv, and you love you, and Kabel Savir, the She Matos. But we're talking about the personality, Aval, Mashanika, Minershalon Cosima Kudahat, A Matarashili Bemet Lloyd Ta La Vio Tal Hoda Bezha Mashuaz Cavana. Mashakashit Halamashuaze, the Hashikamata, Nichnas le Tochti Unimina Sugazi.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:18

The call May Modesh Modl, Speculative Avaladine.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:24

Ah, Ode Ara Hatchani Hyav Lagilegabe, Legabe Sibatiut Davidum. Canada Toe. Kilegabe Sibatiut Ulacholagi is a Lobatuach. U ke empiricist, Zaviklo Marshall and Shumindicat. Legabe inductions. Legabase Davidium to see Bathol. Let Varim Losh Uvimi Nisioneno. Uloto Tarsh Taspe, the Icon Empiri, Mahan A priori. Nahan Icarona Period. Look at him, Avalanukuday Mash Mash Masha Uamar, Shanitakafti at Yumla Shita. Kiumlashita Toto ench the Icaona priori, velo empiri. Asumer Nahon, I mean Madago Agrimati Shibasi Batiot, Yumomer the Icaron a priori Velakenulakon. Ulokayam. The Maslan. Lola Muha, Koda. I inducia Lomuhakat. Hasibatiut Enshum Sibaniashi Kayemet. Zem Shani Rosela Khadpo. The Gabasibaut the Lot of Akamo inducia. Shavan Yumer in the Kar, Vanikan Mikavetonasibatiut, as the Kona Sibati will speed to a priori. Okay, B del Mimeno canito in Shu Kayam, can I to ensure Kayama Iconas? Okay? So Imu Kayam and Shum Sibala Sematograma Huslaula.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:28

Okay, Magazine Martin.

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SPEAKER_02 2:15:39

Look, Mamma.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:47

Ftachuman Mkvachuman, as ech anachnu Marshimlat Numenalim a laulam Fishukelatzmo, Shelik Matfisakantianit Satan. Zeloniftahayomet, Vegam specifically, and your shit, um the midzoroatsmo, Vilfise, and Bemeton Forsch and Lolshav and it anti tunchal, I was the Lomesh and Halon Veloma de la Like. Troya Troya, Troya, Troya Law, Lochel Troia, Avra, Erzika, Hurzeca.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:57

Okay, Kanachunato.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:04

Ah Animamin Shuya Kayam, Kibine Adam Kayamim, and Shumsibala, Niak Lakh Anipahotrash Dani Benochaletiun. Yesh Kama Mekorot, Yesh Aristophanes Chicotov. Aristophanes Loeglo Bananod Bodohai, Vazia Shata Platonch Kotevoto, Vexenofonche Kotevoto, V Psalim Shasum Adzman Acharishu met V Diagonus Laertus Kotevoto, Yesh Ribui Shel Eduyot, Altofaci Maximachi Ne Derechi Y Kudit Mod, Haval Shibitoh, Amizgeret Shemava Nisajari, Vzebna Adamshem Gionim, Biduka Mocha, Vidukma Anashim. Ani Yotzemikan im Thrusha me ever le Hatsavat od Kriterionim Shenovimetoha Yihudyuchela Sipura Yudi, Chodiukuma Shash Sipura Sini Hodi Bidy Kuma Shipua Hodi Khuddi, Bitcoin Sipury, Hodi Bedhako and Shuit Albasis had Dvuna Bilvad le Kabel et Sinay. It's the May Shaladat, Shella Shebana, but democratic, and we have to be able to do that. So, we have to say, psychologists, the historian, the sociologist, and the same. As anything, you can see that you can't get it.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:52

And we tried fundamentalism by the Kim, and you have two lawyers who are in the world. And fundamentalism fundamentalism and fundamentalism is the same as a lot of people. M philosophima the team. So Mr. Sebesheela. And the team of Talatilas Motara.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:03

Aleph, code, Benvir Karega or Sarah Mishta.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:15

Aleph, Aleph, Tishoff, Aval Avalon.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:46

Shegidelta Dimshot Golst.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:00

Echna Tata Lobama Anilomatil. Lolasti. Lolashti. Well by potassium yamartilha. Gamima Tatsude, your thermoski Mitcha, Masher Legabetz Visuat, and you should be a secret.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:52

Bo, you can't get a little bit of a member of the money. Lots as they are. Jeremy Fogel, Doctor Michel Fogel, I have Doctor Michelam. Sneeuwdim, Roven the Simon.