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על המשמעות - ערוץ פילוסופי פוליטי בהנחיית תמיר דורטל
#962 ימית מלול ינאי שוברת שתיקה: מי באמת שולט בכסף של תושבי הצפון?
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בפרק זה של הפודקאסט עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את עו"ד ימית מלול ינאי, חוקרת הגליל ופובליציסטית, לשיחה על הפערים העצומים והמבניים בין ערי הפיתוח לקיבוצים ועל המאבק על חלוקת משאבים, אדמות וגבולות בצפון הארץ.
במהלך הראיון, חושפת מלול ינאי את הדינמיקה השלטונית הנסתרת בתוך המערכת המוניציפלית בישראל, ומסבירה מדוע חברי מועצה נמצאים בעמדת נחיתות מובהקת מול הכוח הכמעט בלתי מוגבל של ראשי הערים. בנוסף, היא משתפת את תובנותיה מהעבודה הפנימית בארגוני לובינג כמו "לובי 99", ומצביעה על הטיה פוליטית עמוקה שלעיתים סותרת את הדימוי הציבורי של ארגונים אלו. הדיון מעמיק אל תוך ההיסטוריה הכלכלית של קריית שמונה, ההפקרה של העיר על ידי פוליטיקאים משני צדי המתרס, ו"אליטת ההתיישבות העובדת" שממשיכה, לטענתה, לשלוט על משאבי האזור על חשבון ערי הפיתוח.
האם השלטון המקומי בישראל הוא הריכוזי והמוחלש ביותר בעולם המערבי? מדוע עיר כמו קריית שמונה נותרת ללא שטחי מסחר ואדמות בנייה בזמן שהמועצות האזוריות משגשגות מהכנסות ארנונה של תחנות כוח וקניונים? וכיצד השפיעו מחדלי ההנהגה על נטישת הצפון עוד לפני שפרצה המלחמה הנוכחית?
בפרק זה תלמדו על מנגנוני התקצוב הנסתרים של הרשויות המקומיות, תגלו כיצד מחולקת הארנונה ממפעלי ענק, ותשמעו פתרונות פרקטיים ואופרטיביים – כמו מתן פטור ממע"מ ומינוי פרויקטורים מקצועיים – שיכולים לחלץ את ערי הפריפריה מהמשבר העמוק בו הן נמצאות. האזינו לשיחה נוקבת שמפרקת קונספציות ישנות ומציעה כיוון חדש לחברה הישראלית ולגבול הצפון.
00:00:00 פתיח והיכרות: העבודה בלובי 99 והפוליטיקה מאחורי הקלעים
00:06:50 הטיות פוליטיות בארגוני לובינג והמאבק על דעות עצמאיות
00:13:20 כוחם המוחלט של ראשי הערים וחולשת חברי המועצה בישראל
00:19:16 הניסיון לקדם רפורמה והזיגזג הפוליטי של השרים בממשלה
00:26:17 מפת הגבולות של קריית שמונה וגזלת שטחי המסחר והארנונה
00:32:00 ההיסטוריה של היעדר אדמות בנייה והגירת צעירים להרחבות הקיבוצים
00:37:05 הבלוף של אוניברסיטת קריית שמונה ותקצוב מכללת תל חי
00:43:35 השפעת המלחמה בצפון: נטישת קריית שמונה מול חזרת תושבי הקיבוצים
00:52:16 כשלון ההנהגה המקומית בקריית שמונה וניהול העיר במשבר
01:00:39 שליטת ההתיישבות העובדת על השטחים מאז שנות החמישים
01:08:48 אלטרנטיבות ופתרונות אופרטיביים: פטור ממע"מ ומינוי פרויקטור לאומי
01:15:09 האקדמיה בצפון, חופש הביטוי והקונספציה של מערכות המודיעין (פרימיום)
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