אליאב ליבי | המהלך הפשוט שיחזיר לנו 1.3 מיליון דונם בהחלטת קבינט אחת

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את אליאב ליבי, יזם ואיש התיישבות מאיגוד החוות ומייסד "פורום הביתה", לשיחה על המאבק היומיומי על אדמות ארץ ישראל והמציאות הביטחונית ביהודה ושומרון. 
לאורך השיחה, ליבי פורס את חזונו לחקלאות עברית ככלי אסטרטגי לשמירה על שטחים פתוחים, ומסביר כיצד רעיית צאן ובקר אינה רק רומנטיקה ארצישראלית או הגשמת נבואות תנ"כיות – אלא טקטיקה מעשית שדוחקת את רגלי האויב לאחור. אנו צוללים אל תוך האבסורד של החוק הירדני, המאפשר לפלסטינים להשתלט על קרקעות מדינה ללא קושי, בעוד חקלאים יהודים נתקלים בבירוקרטיה סבוכה ובהעדר תמיכה כלכלית ממשלתית המשתווה לזו שמקבלים חקלאים ברמת הגולן או בנגב.
בנוסף, ליבי חושף את התוכנית המעשית של תנועת ההתיישבות להתפשט גם לשטחים הפתוחים המוגדרים כשטחי A ו-B, מותח ביקורת חריפה על תפיסת "אוסלו" שעדיין מובילה לטענתו את גורמי הביטחון, ומעלה שאלות נוקבות: האם כדאי לישראלים לדחות שיפוצים כדי להימנע מהעסקת פועלים פלסטינים? האם הפתרון הנכון הוא ייבוא עובדים זרים? וכיצד תפיסת "המדינה היא אנחנו" צריכה להוביל את הנוער בגבעות, גם כשהחלטות הממסד קשות לעיכול?
במהלך הפרק, משתף ליבי באומץ גם בסיפורו האישי קורע הלב על בנו, דוד ז"ל, שלא גויס לצה"ל אך בחר לרכוש כלי צמ"ה מכספו כדי להצטרף ללחימה ברצועת עזה, שם נפל על הגנת המולדת.


00:00:00 צמיחתו של מפעל החוות החקלאיות ביו"ש
00:07:44 הטקטיקה של רעיית צאן והדיפת האויב
00:14:27 התמודדות עם פשיעה לאומנית חקלאית בשטח
00:19:38 האבסורד של החוק הירדני ואדמות מדינה
00:27:00 האפליה הממשלתית במענקי מרעה לחקלאים
00:34:39 מערכת היחסים עם המנהל האזרחי וצהל
00:41:40 המורשת ההרסנית של הסכמי אוסלו 
00:47:37 התוכנית להשתלטות על שטחים פתוחים באי ובי
00:54:48 הדילמה בין עבודה עברית לחרם על פלסטינים
01:03:00 בג"ץ צה"ל והגישה הממלכתית של נוער הגבעות
01:10:20 גבורתו ונפילתו של דוד ליבי ז"ל בעזה
01:18:00 משמעות השליחות של ההתיישבות בעת הזו
01:25:28 אחדות ישראל חזון הגאולה וסיום (פרימיום)


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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Shalom the Bhakti Mod, I was like okay, the Sinochan Sheikh, debate him, Magnivim Kmo Zechlayom, the Palms Limutora, and Brahma Shalom Garaluf, Shalam Salaam, Shalom Ravidor, Shalom Vah, Ravid Rhit Ms. Medina, Medina Torah Democratic, and Shakamita Pamichas, and the other thing, and the other thing, and the other thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

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SPEAKER_00 24:30

Sippu and Ayoya Masa or Better Ravidomak, Ayoya Masa, Adam Hiloni, N Sab Shabat, Midnagesh Berech, Shabam Khadika Adam Had, Sula, Makous, the Giabet Mishbat, Magia Adam Hiloni or Tishmani Pagatibo Mao Simot Dinobani. Yes, the first time the Pegmara, said Massat, Shomerat Imani Nezek Memoni, Tokedehilusabat, and he Patu Menez Memoni, Mikavan, Kimlebe Rabaminecloma, ithayavtiv Hamur Yotel, Gedoloter Muvamiluli, Shell Mita Bedin, Shav Zenakon gamim before Aniwain Karov, it's a Dimvatrav, Sandin Katanit, Pam Bishivim Shana, Shel Shavoshonim, as uh Bamikrazew, but two mea husband maybe she's a more bedin show around, Dian Modua, uh Betadin and Shovatov and Hushov Matza Consterati, Adunenze, Shem Khavim Bahozut. So Med Muze, and we made the met Zadin at her ulipia, Kiva Bedraman Zavsuka, Sadamakir can come in Mr. Kim, but you know, Mark or Sammy, Swantana Hakazoti, but Shakovid Suit.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

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SPEAKER_00 26:45

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SPEAKER_02 26:54

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SPEAKER_01 27:25

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SPEAKER_00 28:11

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SPEAKER_01 31:26

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SPEAKER_02 32:38

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SPEAKER_00 44:00

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SPEAKER_02 53:28

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SPEAKER_00 53:58

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SPEAKER_02 56:39

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SPEAKER_00 59:04

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SPEAKER_01 59:50

Bebalagani time, can the Kadish Om Dimus vim if I come and have Bagan, Dafkashir T Lom in the game?

SPEAKER_00 59:58

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SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

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SPEAKER_02 1:03:01

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SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

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SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

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SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:16

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SPEAKER_00 1:18:48

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SPEAKER_01 1:18:56

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SPEAKER_00 1:19:23

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