#998 ישי פליישר | "עדיף שיפחדו ויכבדו מאשר שיאהבו אותנו" - איך מייצרים הרתעה במזרח התיכון?

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את ישי פליישר, הדובר הבינלאומי של היישוב היהודי בחברון, לשיחה על ההסברה הישראלית בעולם ועיצוב אסטרטגיה של עוצמה. 
לאורך הראיון, ישי משתף מנקודת מבטו הייחודית כמי שניצב בחזית ההסברה באנגלית מול קהלים בינלאומיים. אנו דנים בשאלה מדוע ההסברה הישראלית מתקשה לפעמים להעביר את המסר, וכיצד כוחות עוינים מנסים לפגוע בברית שבין ישראל לעולם החופשי. ישי מציע זווית מרעננת: במקום להתגונן ולהתנצל, על ישראל לאמץ חשיבה גדולה – למתג מחדש את משאביה ההיסטוריים והתרבותיים כנכסים אסטרטגיים. 
מדוע אנחנו לא משווקים את סיפורי התנ"ך כמותג עולמי? מה המשמעות של השקת "דרך התנ"ך" על כביש 60? ואיך ייתכן שמשאבי טבע כמו ים המלח או היכולות שלנו בתחום הרפואה נותרים לא ממומשים ככלי עוצמה מדיני? הדיון גולש גם לשאלות קיומיות ופוליטיות במזרח התיכון – כיצד יש להתמודד עם האויב, מדוע במזרח התיכון מעריכים רק כוח וגדלות, ומהו מודל התושבות שישי מציע לערביי האזור שחפצים בחיים שלווים לצד מדינה יהודית חזקה.
במהלך הפרק תשמעו דיון נוקב על תרבות הנימוס הישראלית מול האמריקאית, על הקשיים העומדים בפני עולים חדשים, ועל התפכחות הציבור הישראלי והנוער הלוחם מאז אירועי השביעי באוקטובר. 
האם ישראל בשלה סוף סוף להשתחרר מהחשיבה ההישרדותית וה"גטואית" ולהפוך למעצמה אזורית המקרינה עוצמה החוצה? ואיך כל זה מתקשר לחללית לגו, פוליטיקה אמריקאית ותחושת ה"עכשיו תורנו"? האזינו לפרק כדי לגלות.

00:00:00 המאבק הבינלאומי והסברה למען ישראל באנגלית
00:03:08 משבר האנטישמיות ומשיכת עולים חדשים לישראל
00:06:27 תרבות הנימוס בישראל מול מנטליות אמריקאית
00:11:00 קשיי השתלבות של עולים בעידן הדיגיטלי
00:14:14 כיצד שיחות עם פלסטינים מנפצות אשליות?
00:16:44 במזרח התיכון מעריכים רק מי שמשדר עוצמה
00:20:23 המאבק התודעתי על סמלים ומיתוג תנ"כי
00:23:44 השקת "דרך התנ"ך" על כביש 60
00:27:00 לגו תנ"כי במקום דיפלומטיית ביקיני
00:33:16 הפיכת ישראל למעצמת לימודי רפואה בינלאומית
00:35:36 ים המלח כנכס עולמי מבוזבז וראש קטן
00:38:58 מודל תושבות לערבים ומלחמה בטרור
00:43:42 אופטימיות זהירה: הנוער הימני והדור שניצח (פרימיום)

#פודקאסט #על_המשמעות

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Shalom the Buhiman like Zazman, Kamvangam Hikerai, Bishaola Gorithm, the Supposed Government and Shimodimese, Vesh to Fim, Vet, Michael Speed, Mr. Hall, Bishop, Shikhas, the Tonaza, Lazol and Shimur, the Ganet, a Vuchem. Shalom.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Arabas of Israel Zakha Sipo, can the Sipo Madame Zamashweftatanach, Mhhubarelav, Mr. Nesegadolaza, and Khalik mean? Aval, Kenegdam, Yas Amunsina, Vesitna, Venushi meatball, and Lodiumot, and Hoshim called me the Bush Vikale. Azlachen, and you have to be Matav, so Grim Tipa Tachalonot, We Nim La Sara Lavar, Melano. Almasha Kore, Lazbir meta etachen, Veta Yof, Lazorlaim, Legalayom, Achare, Ha Sara Azot. And we call me Netvari Machrim, Torah, Shabat, Kashut, Vahule, Avalatzhlaat Gishlam, Cha Mat Gishlaim, as Pitom Yesh Nekudat Asimon Shunophelam, the Pitom Thil Mavin. Nagid Anisukhaiti Birthright Aglitim veani lamadat shimatalo mere, as a mitoh autobus, betocha bois, beta beth autobus, betohskit, kilometri. As that's the team, it's a mm-hmm. Aloya de billet alorecies and t shem alum deberka. Afpan. Zeloinancheli. Animed Khavad and him chabadudim. Anim the Beritam Bhokma, Mamma the Beritamalay Ledim Shellem, the Beritamala teacherem, Vegamerlem to Kohoche Yashpo, Ispon Monchayut, sexyute, be Tel Aviv, Becola, Becola Inanchalano. As emhumat color roa, visible afraid. Alukrainous call milkama milkhama. No lobemet, as the k satzikovia, anikom vitamin kaze, canasa ba energio, andina sati lecha yom po yon bi rushalaim. Khatitiha to da, tamircha baklal, evet u polashuna, you rushal mitazot. Shati kafe, babet kaffe, rushal make mustare. Khnofi, manti, shilo ta' lachtal. As a machine. Octosha, medina, and the book is dood, and we're not a good one. And I do, I'm not a man. I've been here, and I know the Talmud, the Talmud, the Sephershell, Vikim. So, Adinut, Meticut, Kat Savlanut, Nimus. Nimus, Nimus, Manners, Manners, Adinut, Benimus. Imagino Benigani Rodza Korosman.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Oh, Khavarim, Lama, Lamaka, Lamaka, Metoraphim, Vish Hamorim. So, yeah, the King David Ful Samuel the Shav Anina Sartil Finaramzo, I am Adome the Mart Imanas and the Hosemit Mesheba. Lozas millimeter. Frilo, you can't get it.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Can't we can see? Can't you come on? Write it a finkershaft, you can see Bakasha. Good morning, have a nice day. Ken Zhokkim alem, Zakilu fake, can Zalomit. Ken, thank you. Ken. Zenihmad, Ksha Bana Dam overlay, have a nice day, shalom, help, how are you? Thank you. As Toochello, Nakon Toocholo, as Sato Chama, Vulloit Neg Benimus Nigak Mushrick Betarbut Niger.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Uli Zara better show, mechut, bureaucratia, but so is it very much?

SPEAKER_02 10:56

You didn't mit Gabriel Alak Shaymail Mentality, Mishpacha, Shini Shara Sham. Zachoshi Ms Parakad. Available, Yesh Mash, Shani Elity, Laya, WhatsApp, Lawyer, FaceTime, attack your Zoom, attack him. So Israeli Hadash the Hutzlara mentality. Okay?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Asha, Baco Mosha Vagamanit, as we can and Locha Bihali.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Okay, Aval, yes, Ms. Gamer Temut, and I'm not going to be able to do that. Okay, Borkashem Shahta Miv Gasha, we should debris. Bahim Baim Colmine Levanonim Notsrim, Mmrimcha, Ku Otano, Tatsilo Otano, Anachno Lomukani. Vimcola Tetlaem, Movlat, Vela Tetlame Toshvut, Ola Tetlaim Autonomia, Velagena Lem, Velh La Medutamneshek, Vishemu Akvulat's Fonishano, and Ahlom Muchim. Baimadrozimotov, Bayimakurdim Pochot Yotam Todova, Kulam Rotzim, Shalachniya Yoter Gdolim. Baimazatim, anizuchotov moda zatim, anizucherb Khmesh, Ma'atem Sim, Tamvinim, attemptarta Makomaz, Imatem titnuli mezzan, yepor. Masha begin a salg. Better shesh, okay, better shy.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Umithabellipo. Can I share at Savao? Okay. Begging Jamala Dragash, Led Rabbi, Lad Peres. Ben Peres Legolda.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Lobby Glashata Tov, Tov Zalomanyan Afakhad, Gadol, Vtia Mashani Korebanglit Liberation Nation. Okay? Shem Sonim Tajad, the Sonimat Shitut, Kamakalish. No, no, no. Algorithm.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Keep on Vinimta Ma Vaclanau Ravi.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Mamash Nachnu Peshut Law Midobrim Mawalam Tanach Vazimadim. Ach shav Masha City Bashanim Machronot Zavati Arbashanim Masu Mas Khadashon Mamash Khadash Zavardifne Kamashavot Osafnu Shem Lakfishim Tsir Shishim Osafno Loshem Rishmi Shun Hashavnika Derhatanach Banglit the Biblical Highway The Biblical Highway. If Anti Zabisbiroli, Mitspeam Zal Zal Kachisbiroli. Can I call? Ach shavasotze, Achav Dirk al Mazak Vishim Fishimot, because the Kato Dirk.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Lorotam Dinah Patiota.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

As an Roshazer, La Azor, Lislamed Shellano Villa Olam, Liklo Tano Kumashanachno. And you lo much as a variar, and low bekata dossi, Shemanasella giza de varichin. Yes, high tech, Tel Aviv. Sh me the broadimhadash nya, as any bad, Aval Tanach, Khavarim, Zahmutak Shilano. Atanoid Australia. Atanokhad be Texas. Steel guitar, yeah. Tamagella Ben Gurion. Mavericks. Tamagele Ben Gurion. Atelota. Atelo there. Bikini Diplomacy. Bikini brand or Holy Land. Can kilo F an Ahn. Look at Israel, there's the Khufim to Vim the Bakuroti foot. Ya la Bemet. Yes, Khofim to vim the Bukhrotya foot by Florida. Biglala Bigalay. As Hashav, Amadina, Venetanyao Modek Ragesh, Virta Hokase, Achadmiri Regev, V Saramurasheta, Michael Yao, Eviro Thokaz, Shashem, Shokishim, Shukwishad, Shoven, Bersheva, Le Hevon, Le Betlechem, Le Yushlam, Betel, Shiloh, Shrem, the Amech Israel, V Gilboa, Cal Quishad, Yikreh Shav, Derchatanach.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Okay, Vata Mam Shitta, Vatavia Fra, Vatola Chilo, Vatrelia Santa Mishta Brika, Vatara. Okay, how are you gonna Dumiflusi Dunit TV a fair at once?

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Okay. Okay, couldn't call it a coversheldanach, lachov tanak. Lego I need a Lego, I need a Lego. Lama Lego Shimshon. Lama Lego Shimson. Bonaset Tachuot Po Bahrit I'll be I'll Bniat Beta Migdash, Bniat Sulamiakov, Bnyat Shimson Lod. Lego Magdash. She's Kangaroo Solano. And it's not Kankeru Michelano, then you crap at Midash, then you can't get a little bit of a demographic. Comics, comics in the comments, and I'm going to go to the comments.

unknown 35:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Briggs Aniversar Potty Ot Barret. She Holot Shakolfois, Bemel Shekel Shannot.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Loem Anim de Beritra, Alakov Begador. Animab, Al Yotman Ach to Bemet, Ma Shabima TV Mshanano. Refwah the Mashab T B T V Udi. Zaya Zwa Kadum the U Odin Sayom. Yeshaver Noladim Pitom Shugim Lamash Bahura Ta Hutsle the Hutsarits a Hokkaid Modrifoa, the Beliba. Yeshmashutzela Yudimovim Yot of Fim, Yeshmashukazino. As an hotskimate holimana kim, Liklota and Shim Hutzlar, Hotzrim Bate Sepharfua, Likutan Shimlota and Shim Hutsar Lila Medolam Refwa. Sanach Roman Sechak Mashabim, Tanach Umashab, Refwah the Mashab and Hodmashab Hasanaknogam Vazim. Yamamamelach, Inloam Yamamelach, the Vam, Biofio Muchudu Muchu can you bao lam in the Frenchele. As Mother, Mather Shakanakrimakeshama Bonanin. Hello, the Torrel. The Hadmakhimbaolam. Pashovnia. Bon for Techamaza, Bonishmora, Bono Avto, Bono Avta Yamaza. Mazze. Then we're Roche, and Hushum Bekatan, Lichrod, Nachnu Beghetto, Nachnute Beroche Ghetto, Roche Ghetto, Sechlat Mirosh Ghetto, Lyot Gdolim, Lyot Khazakim, Lishborto Vivim, Adasov, Lor Hatzila Shirotambe Baaza etach. Ligmogotam, En Gamanwalem, En Kazava.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Maman Mitanu Carregar, Trump, Giroush, Trump Fair, Roskailo.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Atanach, the Mashutz, Yamam Chabed, Refatsachabed, Khatum Kahvo that's me.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Shall I call him the Magum? Magum Laura Him Shram, Le Shanote Mda.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Tamiratama show Ishpak Dolabolam attacked the Kurumbar Michole, and a shim on Rimli Shamash energy, energy, Magishimta energy. Any Khoshev shot and call. Okay, I've seen a Yom Yom ki anilo amin besaniam Bisr Hazaka. Any koshev shaw shit at anti shemid bollams, and Achno Ksha Mathimi Tano, Nachno Gomriman Anashim. Velocim et Adamashelano. A pulat Apulat mulligan Basanakona. So ashino? And you share Ilo Aino Klochim the Adasov and Hoshev Shikan. Achuvaiken, Anashim Takshiv, Adif Shafdu, Vihabdu, Mesha Yovu, and youash, Avana, Vakam the Berimarim Tchaklaskirlam, and Yumerlam, Walla, Nisitimni Khokotanu, Zaloalah, Wallafanah Fatem, and Yamatskim, can't kilo Zeklaskirlam, it's the berry tumka tatlafazot, can't takilem, and umbrellam effort the mesekem, efor a bag that shakemaza, a call bajifakh, t you w to medina shelano, bishulma, he Allah Loev Mashtemusim. Loev, we have no time. We have to we have Michael Tan, Kahimazburla Mazda. Al Maimum Rimli, Wallah, Ataihzart Sinai, Ataizart. Better, Veta Raza, Vetahzata, Nachnu, Nikake, V attemptil Humipo, Kmo Kmoatal Banim. Kahamu Rimcha. As the Agadol, and Michabducha, I Tazushumako, Tagilim Tamitasaki and Gomeralecha, Vad Siloy Kfar, Kfarishp, Degal Israel. And I shit Aravium to Him yod Bemad Toshwut Meritlano, Shyashkaz and Krashika Davashnika Gir to Shav, and he be ad and I losone gum, and I losone Aravim, Mamash. Pashutlo. And you feel Magishat Aravi Baketa's, and I lo and Zemloko Kimimani. And you love time dash a small and lohab, and you have time does it and you have and you have the colourish nachum is Rachtichonim, Aravin Tchem Kabel Tushwut, the Michel said the Hilpobi Shalom, Yapo, Yelo Shalom, the Khaim Tovim, Vatzlach, V Parnasa, the Kvod, the Barake, the Zabracha, okay, Avalmishe, Avalmishe Sony Otano and Omakampo, Litroat.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Oh, a matter, but Koshash Vim, Kiluki, and Mamashne to Nim, and I think to Nimi Kamin, Lamashi has Vuk, Lamashias Vuya Shavoda. The Venubim comes of Dimzari should be a heret, she do mem. Ah, Philbitoch you have some one bonim of Dimzare?

SPEAKER_02 41:47

Navio of Polim Sonimotan.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Lobba, Vesh, Vesh, terror or Babny Ashlam kilo.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Aval Ma Baya of him, and he could say, and you'll scrim la vote for Barat, at a Sonia Israel, as a Murum Kutzrimlavoda. Israel Baemsa, Bashalom Vukki, me to Kol Jihad, and he lots of stuff do it's lino. As a mile, a tematimatar shootereno, a tem Atem Totsiota, a temvet ota mitunis, atamhabli mitunis. A tem ifetimta at a shalom as a Shakshava nachtuchim betwakazo. Is Michael Panim Gluyot or Shem the Brimpanim Cluoty M to the Bemaravita. Zamashini Shumea. Laura Eti. Demographic.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Hi, Zeran, Mitsubita Fakash, Adamut. Slichajan BME, it's a fit and a soft, but two are shimming po as neatem.