#1013 זיו מאור | "צבא אחד זו סכנת הפיכה" - המודל האמריקאי שצה"ל מנסה להסתיר

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את הפובליציסט וההוגה זיו מאור לשיחה על השלכותיה ההיסטוריות, הפסיכולוגיות והפוליטיות של פרשת אלטלנה על משבר המשילות בישראל של ימינו. 
הראיון צולל אל מעמקי הטראומה של הימין הישראלי, ובוחן כיצד ההחלטה ההיסטורית של מנחם בגין שלא להשיב אש אל מול כוחותיו של דוד בן גוריון, עיצבה את הפסיכולוגיה הפוליטית של מחנה הימין עד ימינו. מאור מציג תזה נוקבת לפיה השמאל הישראלי מחזיק בתפיסת עולם המעניקה לו מונופול על הפעלת הכוח והאלימות הלגיטימית של המדינה, בעוד הימין, גם כשהוא נבחר לשלטון, סובל מ"תסביך אלטלנה" וחושש להשתמש בסמכויותיו החוקיות כדי לאכוף את החוק על מתנגדיו הפוליטיים. 
במהלך השיחה, מאור נשען על מחקריו של הפסיכולוג החברתי ג'ונתן היידט כדי לנתח את הפערים המוסריים בין ימין לשמאל, ומשתמש בספרו הקלאסי של ס.א. פיינר על הפיכות צבאיות כדי להצביע על סכנות האליטיזם הצבאי בישראל. הוא מעלה רעיונות רדיקליים ומרתקים, בהם הדרישה לפיצול צה"ל למספר צבאות מקבילים כדי למנוע סחיטה פוליטית ולפתור את משבר גיוס החרדים, וכן קריאה מפתיעה להחלת חנינה כללית בדומה למודל שיושם בצרפת לאחר משפט דרייפוס.
האם הימין הישראלי מסוגל באמת לשלוט? מדוע מפקדים בכירים מסרבים לעיתים לבצע את מדיניות הממשלה? ואיך ביזור הכוח הצבאי עשוי להציל את הדמוקרטיה הישראלית? האזינו לפרק ששובר מוסכמות היסטוריות ומציע נקודת מבט מטלטלת על מאבקי הכוח בחברה הישראלית.

00:00:00 רקע למשבר המשילות וחולשת השלטון הימני
00:05:04 מחלוקת ההיסטוריונים על נרטיב הפגזת האלטלנה
00:14:48 הפסיכולוגיה של השמאל לפי ג'ונתן היידט
00:23:28 הסכנה הדמוקרטית בהערצת גנרלים ואנשי צבא
00:28:44 פרשת דרייפוס והצורך בחנינה כללית בישראל
00:32:20 תסביך אלטלנה: סירוב הימין לאכוף חוק על מורדים
00:43:53 המודל האמריקאי: מניעת הפיכה דרך ביזור הצבא
00:49:55 איך פיצול צה"ל יפתור את גיוס החרדים
01:00:10 הצדקה משפטית למעצרים מנהליים כנגד פקידים בכירים
01:07:33 ביקורת על הממלכתיות הריכוזית של דוד בן גוריון
01:13:38 סכנת האנרכיה ביום שאחרי הבחירות הבאות (פרימיום)

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SPEAKER_01 4:23

Mashikaram as be azov Iran Ulaik Tzachina eta etan eta muhlatucheba ni hola mod machura mirazo aval nachnu bayamim shab and goral Iskemi Miran Nikratz v andladat my eledium can Lomufarche Barakya Adramu Chalamimakoniban sazi baruka uwach bekaroval imbeimet nahu nigmorita rua be F Sahra, asan holimakom odmod bye t.

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Lama be Iran, Tazashamartal, Lama V Tabiran Khmuzlah, Kigama small, Kia small.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Legama, Legama Tamah, Bavar, be azher, shelabaro, ma'zem, apon, Lama Lama small if share tsah, if share Milhama Blimma Bla Kavot B Iran, Kia Totsah, Medinitch Vit Biran, I tame a kubeleta small, Vilwa Tutsa Medinit, Shel Milhama Kavot, Beaza, I tame Khayevit Liot, Shikhur Azama We, the kid shut you, and I'm not a big one. As the small only loaf share, uh psychological telena, the shivdelmauti, begging the Venetaniano by Sefer Rivation, and hef the podcast, I'm kidding as aishaus, Samehalef Piner, Mecca politica, mechanic meoter, historia khelium, sofama srim, uh shelle afichot z vayot ma huvile nafiotzvayot moutlachot, afifihots vajot kochlot, gami khina totsait politic masit basof, gami khina musarita, uwa afihots vyotch vijutov, la am shebu entrachou, vrova fichot zveyoti v Yura, viwole al-shnei shnemafien, shem menabim shelasikui, shela fihat svai tô selegichut, l'medinamis suyemet, la fichatzwait. E kadu omroto binforash, a chenai zutomas kanach le mikria i kvit, che le ko la mikrinchou socer. Ma omer Bimforash, oume deber al terbut politit. Ma vrchin ben t'ut politic voa, levent politit nem, politic vorayote, kaha sikui, che la fichat'wait la tlihba medina ou amouh yote. The my turbout politic voir, he akara psychologi t amuka, che la tsibour, sh'ilam, amour l'aut be de zrachim. Kahol che akarazo netwa mokyo terb politi, but a politici la kivrame douberet, kaha se kuj la ficha ou li ka shelh. L'umazot, mishel lomavin, adliot by damesh l'Zhim, velobi damchel shitseva, Michel shogeba konceptia, simlev kamalakhon nitse ma komra gish, le olame megalembitoho, eta patrioti uta ultimativit, gavri uta ultimativivit, tko la midota tumi odwatilyot sha la praat ka shar tfisa zo, meugenetwah ka zaka m smautit, bato dashla tzibu, aza sakanala fihatzvait i odmo. Baikeraze.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Basel anhwba.

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Basel anhubaya, vibali debitui, uhali debut me odmo de bolet uhim by Nyan shel Roman Goffman. A Mirakstein ez leatil dofi be katzin, loveshma dim, shek dish travel with Israel. She mirage and echol le vinci y'a. Tovatgoffa. Wam razzi, ratahvra israelata democrati israelit, and heh avinciwa mirach publicist, and we have a kid. Khivra democrat amitit, liberalit amitit, yes ba izun shelchne dwarim, kad kavodve kara, lelufemadin, vela sh, msa kenet bithono, and machim shakimet bitham, kedel again bithonokulanu, avaladvar sheniza khashdanut, klephar, le kachat khelec ba ali mutal gitimich la mem shelakl. Call me shakar lachikne shek mitama shilton. Avan khamtamits kniha nimklepem. The sentimentlo kam, but siburiuta israelite, and shhavad alekstein za quoti le erwa me odmod moshmauti kekalek mi parasha drifus. Emil zola, keshu kata vitamin etanima hashimu, a shambe diba, negedatzeva, ve keke, the khamishpatimfusamim shel sheld drifus. Negedzeva. Keke vefati shriver mushbaim, ve kzatmomishpatnetanyao, atseva, ve betema mem shela, Sara Sara Bitachon, shaiu le b diavadit barer, shemu shut of fimb'zi of fimagdulim shel lifut parasha drifus, me vim shura shelidim ve asanegorim shelemilzola, ehadha ni ofhrimitatviale de agana ve hever mushbaim nikar, olechumishtahnya kolishokeva katvia, nikar sholehomishtahna shemolchemli zakotemilzola. Vebetsem bezashem mezakimoto, shhu kzataniz Bekbala le michpat kesnerem fusametzlenu, letet gushpan kalashamochelo. Vaz Megia Ramatkal, Karulabfar, Zayaklafa Kharon Bashavulch Latvia, Megia Ba Madimaitsu Gim, Le Khamesh Dakot, Omedmulhevramschbaim Kola Pozashelo, Vomerlo Hevre, Imatem Khushvim, Shate Mecholim Sobazokalutanashim Sheklif Wativakvarim Shelibela Genal Bitonashel Sofat, U'sha Musaknimit Khaenu, Az Vaksha, Te Zakutemilzola. Avalimatem Mezakimoto, Ani, Vekola Mateakla Limit Patrim. Amar Tvarim, Velach, Had Mashmaid, Emil Zola, Ursha, Ma Exam? Kness, Hakakaninaklalit, Velde Kusso and Tanekanaklit L Hulam Shizagna Ulana Sepul Podcast Chalemala, Al Khanakla Lit Pashad Raifus, Kileda T Metihu China Hon Sem Bakareg, Binati Israel Ti Patter Rak Inti Haninaklalit Le Sigma Brasler, Le Fatum Rushalmi, Leudash Arbe Mazinchlano, Mithima Marchavazot, Aval Tudakati Lachana Shug Nodav Prashad Ryfus, V Loine Khulim, La Dated Mash Hodimon Pashad Raifus, Il Maleo Takanaklalit, Ki Call Od Low Khazalit, Cola Nashim Shetam Hubsev Sara Ganab Collects, M Hadnuf Kulanoflim, Atam Richel Kulamit Lakid, Velagene Khada Sheni, Vikol Vayushovtimbaknuaz, Vayu Pakitim Krim Baknuniazud, Vayu, Ayanasir, Hashem Shallav Shesarabita Hon Baknuniazot. If Charlie Lavgeota Ache Barros Mshalavar, Ani Mudia She Col Me She Avara Virapil Shek Shrule Pashad Raifus, Andello Chaninam Roch, Vaz Kulam Ratsu, Visipula Storyoni Met Kolmashem Yodim, Vebis Hutz N Hodim Hodemal Pashad Rifus. Ani Meodro, Echikma Brasler, Veti Fatomirus, Amit Isman, Vet Gilimon Bakelev and Hoshev She Shame. Avalani Choshesh, She Aderhane Chunayoter, Leotzita Khavray Salim Koshboin Tetzbem Tutchani Ak Litma Suk Chevl Dekus, A Vaztachir. Behaz Rali Nenu, Azinu, Chauvinism Tweeb Signon, Alex Stein, Bua Hababar, Miprashad Raifus, Vana Holoimeta, Sentimentas. Mukva Indicat Homidrim, Lihdez Dika, Shila Meshukna Utazot, Shila Tzibuh Shha Shilton Bidezrachim, the Odef Kavodla Tseva.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

General Mesheva. Shub Shakim.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Or Yelon? Okama, comma, comma, General Mutzlachenkura Yulano, Ganeno. Dean? No, Istorina's Shanobi Mahlock. Uh Uri Milstein. Uhri Milchstein. Oh, Kyan Shil Rachel.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

I'm sure it.

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Hellem Kav, Loto Kakalov, Valkilo.

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A general Mihulal, Lomotara, a Mihulal Beauter, uh Zenekodal Ratanovinugat Bidiukman Nikuda Zot.

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Okay.

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Bekito, a general impression of Honot El Nutter Midaiba.

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Yeah, uh Miftakadesh. No. Hello.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Okay. Begin. Sirev, Liftohbesh Bel Telena, Azarhetorika, Bdahala, Lida historian, Tari, but Kassimbashu Serevla Khizamakim, Shabasafu Bari, Beggin ikir, ba Ilionut, Shel Ben Gourion, ki Ben Gourion, Zakaba Shilton, but so legitimate, Rosh Memchel Israel. Kasher, legitimate lob Hirot, la Klum Aval Mibelan Shimba Areth. Okay, Vilchen Gam begin, Kemish Manhilton Vilhok, Ikirboke Rosh Michel Ves Sarabitachon, Ani Lobat Tuah, Shahla Tatozo Aitanikhonabiria historiet, Ani Lobat Tuach, Shimoya Puteh Beesh, Vemegiv, Aza Tutsay Tara Aleam Israel, Lobot Bze Bihlal, Aval, Anihola Tz dikt Amiraj, Libzhui Kin Roh, Lobifnei Asmolana Toran, Elabifne Roche Michel Israel, Amalhtiva Legitimi. Lo Mazot, Kashane Tanyaw Mesarevla Sotamit Bakesh, Ulafil Kwa Khalim Neged Mordekaplan. Ula Martin Roche Bifnea Shilton alegitimi. U Markin Roche bifne Mordim. Waakbalot le Prashat Telena, derh Shebait na Guteshle Tanyao, me avay Msheh le Farhatel Telena, the Ayamin Martin Roche bifnea small, Veloa Marteret wa Martteret le Sheavar, Markinina Roh bifnashilton Legitimi. Vezepatologicim la Kurata Myashhorosh. Karega Amem Shelah, l'homikira, balegitimiut, lafil kwah al-Avaranim Murdim. Vzunekuda mautit, ki kasher Shilton Legitimi, Poteah beesh, Al-Mhudim, Zeloni Kramil Khamet Ezrahim, Zenikarahi Fathrok. Aqshav, Beggin, Veranjim Shayual Al Telena, Lobemet Mordu. M Lobemet Mardhu em Ratsur la Kahat Neshek. She Shamesh Bamil Khamah Shel Medisra Sira al Mula Yeverfi. Ittakshu al Kah, kemishe ešlo kredit misuyambe Avatan eshek shek, khelik nikarmi meno, yeshemej buchhita yruchalmi chebayubi ikaru khme etzel, ava lwa vralem le rega, ba marsava ba barosha marshawa, lef not e taneshekaze, leveran shema pai, leveran shha sil tonal legitimi, vel kenem lwa yumordim. Mitsajni, ahlatah elbengurion, shaneshik ywa var kol kulole mapai, aitahlatah hu kichinit na lida shiltonalegitimi. Velchana ni muchhan, lehlik, le beggin, khirf kolmi gra otavtavj galuka shiweye rosh mshalila, et Auwdash uirkin rosh vilpa tahbeh kazara, lokele genal ubnemil khetahim, elaki umkeemetra tz nošhel shiltonalegitimi. Le umazut masha kwit moddimi tokan, af'alash el shabak negeditamar ben gvir. Ah Awdash Ahhiv s'roshye shabak davidzinil il kahba shevi el idea mit Isman khedeli gromlo litpater. Kola si pur shel il-makajes, kasha mista klimbo be beryamusdit, u gamlo bešetu tatsuha, remaya si pur shel il-makayes. Zelo shek Goffman kashra mfakedugda, aya asurlo, levatsea mivce e tudah bisurya. Elashebatfisashil anashim la luesh anashim suyamim, xi zlohashuv matafikemhzikim, ela leze machhanem shachim, shhiraqlo em utar levatzamivza tuda, ba kek shiril makayes, zayah on khaliva veronen bar. Iim Roman Goffman beyotome fakedugda mevatzam i vza tuda shelo der echasmoul, azayada me dinishelav kutherbe mivza tuda, lulyot kazisha smolomaskimlo, velakhen medubarbe avera a priori tlomishanimu efersif shil khoko lo. Vena khu Khzrim kan lotanikuda she bayj kha kvutsama klo seya israelit. She me shuknat, sheshla, et a monopole ala limuta legitimit, bin nutakma shela im zakubashil tonbitzura legitimit mukirato lo, okay, kasher ayamin, markin rochboffen systematik la peadavarze. Zahero, vetahwa azetza richlimaker. Etahrua azetsa klimager be mzaut af laatalimut meduda, me khusheve, tloim sakin benashinaim, veloim damboer, knasotli avin, mea varalhok, ve echana khfim negdota hoq, bitsura bitzura na khretzit. Kashavval dekuso khriz, elf chamotime, ala al-Khaninak lalit. Asam kashiryesh ach vi rak n shami mzadehad. Aya mitsadehad picard, shaya batzadchil shal drifusarim, ugilaita mezimakdulane g drifus, vwa n shammi shwatzwezh with lifts odot medina, o mitsach ni ushu rash an shim shha yu badzaj anti shemim, batsach elesterazi, shzifu kolminemismahim kedela limita khuchelazi, vekadeli tonch drifus shem, vaiu kamishpatim shit na luba makbil. Veroshem sh level de kruuso, berega kadbitelet kulam, picano rakaswamach nya mezakimoti. Echtame ezmichalvatelita mishpacheli Zayam od uhmboleto, gamagiale khan ditanya u Mitsadehad, orich, uh, tasi Bush lezalzini, umitsacheni, anda kumhakim, she umishpatim, neged Ifatomirushalmi, negede Shikma Bresler, buteshikrema kom lichhanakalit. As uh uh More Shelanabike, Mochela di Banu and Havishodra Mashautanifta Harshav, uh Ramarishona, Charles Pot, Shel Begin, Lulashiv Besh Le Chevetul Hesed, Aval, weirkin Rosh Bifnat Israel Schmidt, Vemas, Cannot Rosh Tmidit, Shel I mean Bifn's Mul Vadavarzakli Pasik. Now the Varanimish Lematadin, Gamima Varka Uh Falatal Day, Musado Shilton Vachi Fatak, Zeloni Kramitahim, Zonik Zenikarifath. Lama, a chuvani said Bel Telino. Okay, begging it waterfamara nachnu, law murdim bashiltona legitimi, uh isum shall morhten a kayom kifishanimavheneta i taj na goodveto z latayad, shelem shelami khanet bishwash al khazito, ze small, lomoredbayamin lomoredba small, benim a small zahaba shilton ou venim low. Agav zagamashekarabit natkud lema sezemashkuramashi. Okay, shhu Tiramakorakan shuvashuva sweamin so ek, negedamid neutral small, saaknu neged oslo, tzadaknu, tzaknu negedan negedan sikamilevanon, tzadaknu, tsa t'saknu ngedate natkut, zadaknu, tzaknu neged iskatzinoir, tzadaknu, tzaknun afilu tsaak ayum ayumi bin mibin mibenenu k elishet saakun neged, kipat Barzel, vanito enchit zadaknu. Sheta khaim, sha kipat Barzel khasha, tzariha elhsohbem tutlihbosha tazamihadashwishlol, mea, mea mea uyeveta yhotli rotalinu bofenklali, bimza kore az levanon, uhizbalabelevanon e lometamissa. Ayamin shuva shovzak, shuba shovzadak, veaf pam, iamin loma silton, ba muvanaza shahlet, la siktamasko, lomitra kesh, velomit kayemit. Andhosh po itazohab podcast inat vilfamra. Yeshvita ben a small israel vena mflagasham ranit be Britannis aetzle kawitzel gaditaob.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Lodia, okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Yamra politika brit itloshmuchana politika britit moutit. Zebo sh miflagashla legitimit flagash ranit. The merit, be adnut, a la small Israeli. Basovilton shha small. A shabanito, a shilton shakhla small small m'zik ba musarit v rayonit ba basum israel. But seva, ba mishta raba shabak. Okay, zhu lifiner. Basovish machzik monopolimut legitimit, ve, niba mori shitlena, uhimut legitimitov shela, lomimuusmach musarit, o mishpatit lachzik baneshekule, so tizbaramama sit, gamken lefiner, amarmu shhezhlo ste, shtechovatlot ma sen medinami pnafihatzwa.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Zachuvashela, mhosev shiltunu bedez uh, bedezrachim.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Shumdirizad kama, ami phenamusarit, sevo, shelatsa legitimati limshul. Aval mashu wa kher sh final omerz beforash, avalu khoserke musukir. The sh medinoch behe. She bayem akozvayi, gazur le kama chat, sheb sabashiltonamerkazi, medinotka ele, sinot yote, mipnafi katzvaita. Dugma classit, zatotabrit, andsafaichha, okay, uh. Sholehadme, and silreg go delviv the National Guard? Helavirham, army, et swakarka, Venihatim Zaraba. Beno Safale, Mishlam to National Guard, Shlem Timish Mariumi, Shlam Gametamish, FBI, Shlo Khmezuyan built him, DIA's Lok built him, Rayon. Avaleshpo Odinian, Vekhanafnimoto, I mean, pool at America Legid Rayon, Shall Penavchom Rimutobi Mpatah do me odd modulari. Okay? Natun Levi Koch. Aldish Kash Magav Zinhadzrot Amerika Ziyot, Shellhida Anti Shimit Bashabak, Lincoln Baholmine Shvut. The Magavnik. As uh Magavu o Erua Mukav and ilomema here, la Khot Golov Lag or progressive, Aval Ulokolan. No, so okay. But the phone, I don't share Nagia. Is there? Okay, as the progress, Mitochal, Kamahidoch, and Nikyoti Hasimadavar, and Goof Khadash Shagafuf law. La Air Force Yesh Tankim. Okay, so we're gonna Lomar Gishimik soy msuyamim, key a mim la kolekadma goofimbinifrad. Andi Khushevle Dugma, Shano Sotmetusim, yeshrakl Navy. Venlafadmach Avalgamla, Air Force is shown yot mit Hamashina nosotmetusim. Barootkarega Babithuna Israeli Gus Khadim V progress but seva, yet zarta goofhair, shit's almost progressive. Shamshikhafik Galitzal Mitsidi. Avalia Gufani Fradva Smail Khalutin. Tha Kharut. A metsiu ba ktsinim omrim b'kabinet, zloy adre ali m'inamedinit, oh ze admedisha nahulomu khanim lil khomle vro, loyekhaliotma asit, kashir mevla delet yoshev, katsina kher, imutandergoat, shemhoavam medza vautzmatilo pachot ve u mitharebi. Ima nilo tela sotomesima umedinatagili alan visalan. Azuya seta mesima, ima army lo aptuit, az a navy up to it. Yestahut benem, tachhruti the varneda and khuodimidze, aval nikuda khima out it. Valemat be a finer boffin sefershilo, the shiim a navy, yakh lichu ma khrizal merid, as an army, air force v marines, yakuita merida. Vizay was a mm, be not a khot, Dugma likarak ball panel Brazil. Bolsonero Mafsit Bob Kirola de Silva. The Korea Khareon Kim a Shoufeta Elion Chihan Khav Rosh Vadak Pirot America, Karlomoras Mosham Lifne Yom Kirota Tsmo, B Sham Bit, B Shurashela Klato, Negede Negede Bolsonero, Vene Yamin, Notan Tzavim Ali Mim Vasmore Sha Travatiot Le Da Kea Mudim, Velashtike Pirsumim She Tubimbe Bolsonero, Mina Helmish Patim, Al Shibushab Hirote Mute, V Ala Atayan Shal Moras Bakcherazi, If Sha'ala Khlok, Vasmi Gayom Khirot, Hhirocham M Vutsaim Be of Memhshav, Vesh Hamot Mmod Kashot Baziouf. V Bolsonero, Mahlich Wasemase, Vupone, Le Schlochet Rashamatot, Shil Schloschet Zurote Se Vashl Brazil, Khelea Basha, Kheleyam, Vem Mishmaralumi. V Helea Bashava Mishmaralumi M Servim Le Shatefitopula, Vhilayam Zoremito, Aval Biglal, Shekhalaya Bashava, Mishmarum is Servim Shatefitoula. Can you rational as if you're a good anime oddmoitz, left me if she's not ayenne, Le Azerba Ba Chipti of Gemini and Carolim Comic, Bob Hirota Honob Brazil, Lam Lamable Sanero Shevershov Bakele, uh Velilmod, Ma ten of the Piroz, the Kriam Pukakatina. And you're Zorano, Valkins, Lama because Velo Holas and Natun Lagmotafort, Virainu. Auditor. Auditor Madiga, Abu Tutchilo, Ahareshu saf bikorit, ala minuchelit. Avdashou Bahar l'amota doveratil Baharhweisman Aduverta Khadashil Vata Pirochek and Ashani Moko Dovert Mr. Yeslam Kiruti Shit and Mikirotava nima Richuta. Vatava nimikirintufa, az overbeemat sofimvermazinim. Shall Alamashmout Mikirin tofa, Zoana Hugamikirima Nashim Shem Behemat Mamlachtim. She Behemat, Oshem de a politic Oshem Kovrimutam, Mukmaspeak, Both and she globally debut manseman if you didn't live ne. Ulome zahe et to fazot, ugamlomikirba legitimi u chatanazo kasi mhiyaman shimin. Gamkenunisa Lita Mechala Navy, alayam chil Argentina, o Aito Rush, and the other thing. And who would be a good one? Saudi, Saudi, and the people who are not going to be able to see the people who are not going to be able to fashion. Mm-hmm. As a gam soft, as a bizarre, it was the same. Okay, General, Shekhatoum Al Oda Shemot Genocide, Tazovita, Shella Dina Ben Lumi. A fill we lawyer Gallant, a few m loyal matzar ben Lumi, and we are not pressure, but Harvard, the Litvanen, Zeatid, Optimali, Alayot. Galibarav miara i fatamirus, Miyamit Isman, Gilimon, V Ochurashilan Shim Sh a Yumorovimbe relevant, Tsihimla Shevetzarminali. Mastomerit Matzarminali, iftakhazogram ifella punchline and churchelenao. Mazematzarminali. Basiachashithi. Matzarminalize pula, me odmo chromav kitsulichan ketelmasimodmochmorov kitsunim. Avanzilonachun. Anakumedina liberalit, maat zarzakli khashov kedishmoral khok, mazematzar gil, srimben adam, toch a srimverba shot, misha tsaur tzaklaviotlifne chhof, velisha na chhofet, echadmishlo shadvarim, ossho musu kan lacibu, ossho aluli gromle shibushha kira, osshu alulivroach. Iim, ulohashu Afghatmat vrimele, ulecha baita. You laf kolminak balota valbe matzar uloye. Theim yhlitu shhube metbzata vero, zugashnik doktavi shumatishu. The matzaragil, matar minali, levdilmi matzar mishpatishu matzaragil, the matzar shibof am minali, gfzerta benadam, ozeroto, velome vioto lifnesshofet, vwa dain ozeroto. Matai mutar mpina mussarit. Lishta meshba varze. Matai shaguren balasamhut, vizeh no setahutla perzibu, asara relevanti, mishtahnea, shemitza dehadra uisha damiye bematza, mitsachniya fala mangina ragila, bigorota shiputit, tifgabatahliochela matza, zematzar minali. Akha matzar minali ragila, nhma flimu tonaged michhli ma ravim lama, ki kashara mishta utseret be ercelia mishparatlebatim, azanahum otrimta benam you dim you, the machinim sofmo di inegdo. Matzle anchun anchunigash le khvertzel berezia vene softmatl motrihovni refwaya, na seikun la telephone shelo, we offen tali msaim shunim, shha kiilam is a peket la mishtara ked liftop shaim, you amdulik shota mishtah. Kasha me dubarbe mekhabelar ravi, akilawa auto loki averyan la kegibbo, akilashimeno yetsa, velchen, a midash a mishta tigle shovet, abba im khaser, avan khuyodim sho mikhabel, velozbiljodim tsaim shotan nakatmuke devaseeda ze emsto deim, ibe mjutzgula chhofet, mitzgugam lagana, yzgula shofet vela gana, azanahunasakelta msaimala sortemhabelaba. Vilachen, Achokmef share, le Matza mitsuba kolmashla tigli shofet be Matzarminali, ze sha sar, shmusmahlevat matza, ishtachneash Msukanishhahita benadam. The matzarminali, Lamish Matzarminali negediudim, orama you, ad sra katsamitkov covid Michelon negapeshaze Lobiglal She Khashad Shakilah Minayatsaha, mechabela yeud, Mito Shenukaemba Mitsuut, e Tegabeto, V Mitihastanov Kegibo. Zelo Karazi me lamokore, Yamina Israeli, al kol Gvanav, Mukia, meuta zanirho Vepogaba. Zabiglash, baksha mimala matserimanalim, sta clubba marah, Vera u anakhuzrim be matzriminalim, rakaravim, the katedra, beatabrit, tistakel bain loefa, kenahu gizanim, azana khavim la s orgam yudim. Avalatnaimli umam shel matzariminalim, mit kaimim, be inyyanam, shel galiba ravmiyra, ifatomriushalmi, ammitisman, ve gilimon. Ki kola nashim, lama kutzim khablimar ofim matzarimalim, ki akilim loye ilimba sagatamatara. A klazimit kayem legabay reasu shiskarti kodem, kola nashim sha mu nimim al khakira, al nisuha ba kashotlivet mishpatli matzao, velagashakta ve shumbay mshek, kola nashim kfufimla. Velacham msimashem mutel tem shalezl simtashim sukana be matzao, shair, istayem alih minuyam shel machlifim l'anashim share and topelba m simple shit. Ifatom shal, alpana, ofdash el mochik var shhuva mchlifel lagam can uh smoke, Michan kanut, Gawami mena val uhdasha nashim sh adain of dimtahta, you khim la lata daman, loh min batsman bematza. Lofdashim lochlfou. Shema, dash m lochfu. Loma ni loma lom lom lom Loma speakli faterit Fatomirushalmi, veloma spikil faterit galibaravmiara, veloma spikl faterit ak tinima varyanimba pazzariah, sha m shachim la lilat dambis detayman, hem trihim, la shevet me matzar, emavuachokwa verot bitroniotamurot, the piturim, zeloma speak, zelota kalamik so. No, Lomartiv.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Atamartama terminali adjimuchlefu. Ken Matar, Matar, the mele me team, thehon?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

As uh Nahon, as leg as as legab legabe fatamoshalmi tateg Zeloma spik shla machlif ken lachlif, kia nashim shamurimelta ticnica afduitzla, kimlochlif emlochlif, mbatzma, should a fila pesilla.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

Vemadine meta starakani.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Ken Zoasibashia dani stovetrofila mochi ofeta, alpanaveshi babesha shibica as as Zelegabesu get a matriminal, Zashimushba Koach, Shautoanimitzape, shem shelte Israel to feel negative Altalena. Asiba Amutseret, like Nagdut shall Ben Gourion, which is Israel Galileat Amutseret, Lamit, Lavaratan, La Kohot shall etzel shapeled in Birushalim, I thought At Visa Hamamlachti Ben Gourion, Lama Ben Gourion Piracamot. The Bitani politic, Biglash Lorza Married, Big Loratza, she had money, and the other thing is, uh, Marines Levin Navy Bashore, Shall Peruka, we said, Malach radical, As Oshita Oserov, League of Dima with the name, Shhamani Freedme Vat's, Kiah or Vatam Bim Comenu. And Lorakh and Basham de Varm Kudash, the rayon, Shanich Vera story, she passed me so Mamlachtiud Medina Israel or Leovota, Alan Vesalan, Bechlitchin. Aval Mamlachtiut, Bamuvanchel Savaihad, Marichat, Mishtachat, Mapitum. Mapitum.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:28

Okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Okay, so we're shoveling, it's it's dinot, she's federali. Okay, the concept of psisi. Vila Khan Shilton Rikuzi, Mishterit Israel, Balishkash Gamanafkal, Abbenchel Ben Gurion, okay? Mishterit Israel, K Guf Rikuzi, Bil Adishek, Achverak, oh, Akverakosek Matrochi too, the Khoter Takahon Democratic. Nivchirit. Aval, she ughimatzmayim lacharutin, loirah, pikudit achat. Pikudit akatzwait in Frenet Gemkan, aya erwa epame riva Gadol, ben Gurion Israel Galilea, sakbidukbezeya, Mifkadartich Israel Galili, waya Ezrah, Shemifakedal Kahilot Zweyatkulan, Vengurian Bariva Gadolben Bitel, eta Mifkadartich Israel Galili, Vemar Itzlenu, Zemodel Shellatia Gavudi, Savaichad, Shekfoufla Memchala, Le Log Guf. Femesimsada Bitchoni, Fems Mifkadarzit, Vizotabesura, Azimat Lok. Iamin, Yrikin Rosh, Lobigl Shuayin, Labiglash Lawya Bashilton, Vuikir, Beyotobashilton Bitcoffatelena. Bossa Nachongom. Andiloyo dear, and it's a gamse. And uh Dimano, show Ul Odimano Layasham. Uh shame will smaller show. Shu Vishale Udimanok historian. Shove the Machikle Hetavan with Loi Shivesh Machat. A can begging Holya Sikas Final Holoceta Velikbosh to Kovchel Telavelmasping Shekeda Sortedz. Alamas Pikan Shitzavakila Sortedze. We are Holella sorted? Aimua sarichla sorted and loyal there? Aim Shov Mikhina Shutzir Khalasot. Yesh Medina Bonita ni Kirby Sam Kuta. Mpinamusarit and the Mitkashelish Pototo, Avalnikeni ou de Shabimkom Shamoreche L Altelena Tie, Cole Zha Israel Mikirimba Legitimi u Chel Shilton, a Totse Anchel Altelena, Aita Hayemin, Loikirme Olamba Legitimu Chilchiltono, Vasmo Loikirim Olamba Legitimu Chilchiltona Emin. Vese, rihiv Morechetelena shotsa richla akor. Ayemin, ma shebatouach, vechouve, and illogiche, imbrenner bevadesh machlokat, ve mudimanor mahlokat. Avalateza shelish la malista mechi, sha yamin shayala al telena loi khizmered, beven gourion. A small chili yamen y krizmered bejelet Israelani Frere. Ve Khoseanu, Linhog, Bitguva, Lameredam Dumyan. Linok Moshe Ben Gurion, Aqbidguva la Meredam Medumianva Mumzaj Lisrael Galili, Bamurdim Befoal, Bamurdim al Piazaratam Shelaim, She Miti Walm Shiva October Ba Midalim Shelaim. Khose Hologem Kafishimbe Mordim, Eba Krenu, Vibadel, Vitawarzit Lako, Vizod Risha, She Tana Kutzrahim, Levola, Bash Lanu, Ule Masse, Animikavesh, Pericazman Max Pick Lifna Prirod, Kid Shad Gabesh, Lifnap Hiro Tzman, Ki Arota Kashot Lobovan Shallavit Zahron, Hadad Rahim Had Rim Tosh Bem Hot Priot, The Tutsa Lobrozatzma, Lama Omed Bent Netanyahu, Bekneset, The Mer Litzra Mita Nimikosh Litzra Mit Sabate Lam.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

Hi, Zeran Mitsubakas, But Two She Ming Po Azim.