תמיר דורטל מתארח אצל כיכר השבת | "חצי שנה לפני" - השיחה הקשה עם בן גביר לפני האסון

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט, מארח אולפן "כיכר השבת" את עו"ד תמיר דורטל, מייסד ומגיש הפודקאסט "על המשמעות", לשיחה אישית, פוליטית ואינטלקטואלית על המסע החייו ועל תפיסותיו השמרניות. בניגוד לכיסא המראיין שאליו הוא רגיל, הפעם דורטל מתיישב על כיסא המרואיין וחושף ללא פילטרים את הדרך שעשה מבית חילוני-שמאלני בנווה מונוסון ועד להפיכתו לאחד הקולות הבולטים של השמרנות הימנית בישראל.
במהלך הראיון, דורטל משתף בגילוי לב כיצד שאלות קיומיות על תכלית החיים בחברה החילונית הובילו אותו לחזרה בתשובה, ומדוע הוא רואה בחיי ההלכה פתרון מעשי לסכסוכים אנושיים יומיומיים. הוא מדבר על הגירושין שעבר, על הציפיות הלא מציאותיות שזוגות מפתחים כלפי מוסד הנישואין, ומשתף בתובנה משנת חיים שלמד על כיבוד הורים שפתרה את כל חילוקי הדעות עם אימו. 
בנוסף, הראיון צולל לעומק הסוגיות הבוערות בחברה הישראלית: מדוע דורטל מסתובב חמוש בכל עת וקורא לכל אזרח (ובמיוחד לציבור החרדי) להוציא רישיון נשק? מה היו מאחורי הקלעים של שיחת הנזיפה שניהל עם השר איתמר בן גביר בנושא זה? וכיצד השירות הצבאי שלו והיכרותו עם בני ישיבות ההסדר והציונות הדתית עיצבו את גישתו למאבק על גיוס חרדים ולחטיבת "החשמונאים" החדשה?
דורטל לא חוסך ביקורת מהאקטיביזם השיפוטי של אהרון ברק לאחר שחווה את לימודי המשפטים באוניברסיטה העברית, ומסביר מדוע הפך מתומך מדינת רווחה לקפיטליסט מושבע שמתנגד לקיומו של מוסד הביטוח הלאומי. 
מה הופך את הפילוסופיה של תומאס סואל לכל כך רלוונטית לימינו? מדוע פוליטיקאים מכהנים חוששים להגיע לראיונות עומק בפודקאסטים? ואיך מפגש אחד עם פלסטינים באנגליה הפך אותו משמאלני לימני? האזינו לשיחה מרתקת שחודרת מבעד לפוליטיקלי קורקט.

00:00:00 פוליטיקאים, ראיונות עומק בפודקאסט ואיחוד רסיסי הימין
00:13:00 מבית שמאלני-חילוני לשאלות קיומיות על משמעות החיים
00:23:00 היתרון המוסרי של חברת הלכה מתוקנת
00:32:00 חימוש אזרחים: המאבק לרישיונות נשק והשיחה עם בן גביר
00:43:00 אומנויות לחימה, תודעת לוחם ומודעות במרחב הפיזי
00:48:00 חשבון נפש אישי וציבורי לאחר השבעה באוקטובר
00:51:00 גירושין, נישואין ותיאום ציפיות מציאותי בזוגיות
00:57:00 מחדלי הציוד בצה"ל והמפגש עם בני הישיבות בשריון
01:03:00 גיוס החרדים: חטיבת חשמונאים והסנקציות הכלכליות
01:14:00 כיבוד הורים: הסוד ששינה את הקשר עם אמא
01:21:00 המפגש באנגליה שהפך אותי משמאלני לימני
01:31:00 לימודי משפטים וחשיפת הבלוף של בגץ ואהרון ברק
01:43:00 המעבר לקפיטליזם ושמרנות כלכלית בעקבות תומאס סואל
01:49:00 מדוע צדקה קהילתית עדיפה בהרבה על ביטוח לאומי
01:58:00 סיכום: כרטיס פייטר למילואימניקים ופוליטיקאים מרשימים

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SPEAKER_02 1:52:23

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SPEAKER_01 1:53:57

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SPEAKER_02 1:57:04

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SPEAKER_01 1:59:08

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SPEAKER_02 1:59:10

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SPEAKER_01 1:59:33

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SPEAKER_02 2:01:34

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SPEAKER_01 2:02:10

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