#1037 מוטי לייטנר | "גפני מנותק מהציבור כבר עשור" - לאן נעלם הימין החרדי? #על_הבחירות

בפרק זה של פרויקט 'על הבחירות', עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח לשיחת עומק ארוכה מהרגיל את יו"ר מפלגת 'הציבור החרדי' מוטי לייטנר לצלול אל מאחורי הקלעים של הפוליטיקה החרדית, השבר המנהיגותי במגזר ויחסי החרדים עם מדינת ישראל.
מדובר בהזדמנות נדירה לשמוע מועמד פוליטי חרדי שמאתגר ישירות את העסקנות המסורתית של המפלגות החרדיות הוותיקות, ומציג משנה סדורה של לקיחת אחריות אזרחית ואישית. לייטנר חושף את הדיסוננס הכלכלי העמוק שבו שרוי הרחוב החרדי, תוקף את התלות המתמשכת בקצבאות המנציחה עוני, ומסביר כיצד מנגנונים פוליטיים מעכבים במכוון הכשרה מקצועית איכותית ופתיחת מוסדות חינוך ממלכתיים-חרדיים. במוקד השיחה עומדת סוגיית גיוס החרדים ושותפות בנטל הביטחוני בעקבות אירועי השבעה באוקטובר: לייטנר משרטט את קריסת הקונספציה של "צבא קטן וטכנולוגי" ומציג את ההכרח של הציבור החרדי לקחת חלק פעיל בהגנה על הבית.
במהלך הפרק עולות שאלות יסוד בעלות חשיבות ציבורית מכרעת:
האם החברה החרדית מסוגלת להשתחרר מתרבות הקצבאות ולעבור למודל של עצמאות כלכלית בדומה לאורתודוקסיה בארצות הברית?
כיצד השפיעה המלחמה על הנכונות הפנימית של צעירים חרדים להתגייס לשירות צבאי ואזרחי?
והאם יש היתכנות אלקטורלית למפלגת 'הציבור החרדי' לשבור את המונופול של 'יהדות התורה' ו'ש"ס' ולהביא קול ימני ושמרני עצמאי?
המאזינים יזכו בניתוח סוציולוגי, פוליטי וכלכלי נטול מסכות, המציג מבט פנימי ואותנטי על הדינמיקות בחצרות הרבנים ובמסדרונות הכנסת, וקריאת כיוון מחודשת לחברה הישראלית כולה.
פרויקט 'על הבחירות' מציע כיום את הבמה המעמיקה והפתוחה ביותר לשיח פוליטי בישראל. הסדרה מהווה בית לנבחרי ציבור מכל קצוות הקשת הפוליטית, המעוניינים להציג את משנתם ללא פילטרים, ללא קטיעות וללא מגבלת זמן של אולפני החדשות.

00:00:00 קמפיין השמאל מול קמפיין הימין ומפלגת הציבור החרדי
00:02:08 האם יהדות התורה בדרך לממשלת שמאל
00:04:30 פערי התפיסה: האם החרדים נותנים למדינה יותר ממה שמקבלים
00:09:00 תמריצים מעוותים, הנחות בארנונה וקריסת תקציבי הרשויות
00:13:20 משבר הסכמי הגג וצפיפות עירונית בבית שמש
00:19:00 מיתוס התעסוקה: מדוע החרדים נלכדים במקצועות דלי פריון
00:25:30 נשירת חרדים מהאקדמיה ומחסור בלימודי יסוד
00:34:40 פירוק המונופול על החינוך והקמת הממ"ח
00:37:20 קריסת הקונספציה הביטחונית והשינוי ביחס לגיוס חרדים
00:46:30 רישיונות נשק וההתנערות מאחריות אישית
00:57:30 מפלגת הציבור החרדי והסלוגן הפעם לוקחים אחריות
01:01:30 חסמי אחוז החסימה והתנהלות הגושים הפוליטיים
01:10:17 חזון מפלגת הציבור החרדי במידה ולא תעבור (פרימיום)
01:13:00 עולם הסקרים, מניפולציות בתקשורת ומנהיגות אמיתית (פרימיום)

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